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@AC97
That is true. But I still also stand by my stubbornness of that I never wanted Discord redeemed back then and I want Chrysalis to be redeemed instead. So seeing Discord get redeemed made me want to see Chrysalis redeemed way more since I thought it would be a fair trade-off that the fandom got something they didn’t want because I got something I didn’t want. But I guess it has to be the fandom’s job to make this happen in the end.
Also if you wanted a Flowey for the world of MLP:FiM, we’ve got Sombra, the Storm King, any other villain that the IDW comics push out, and if you want to count Equestria Girls, Principal Cinch is a Flowey as well. I never saw Chrysalis as a true Flowey and the revelations of their teamwork in Frenemies showed that maybe they all aren’t complete Floweys. (Despite all this, I still imagined Chrysalis’s post-defeat dialogue after the finale mirrors Flowey’s.)
I do think the message of "not everything can be solved by being nice" is important. But these aren’t the villains I wanted to be associated with this.
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Wallet After Summer Sale

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@XD-385
1. You just might give me an idea for a fanfic.
2. Tirek will survive many years, not Cozy and Chrysalis probably due to their mortality. Unless it works like cryostasis, they will be dead after many years.
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@AC97
Regardless, it seems everyone has a glaring blindspot for permanent solutions to recurring problems.

No one currently known would help them, but who can say? You never know what’s going to crawl out of the woodwork next and that’s without considering the potential expanded universe outside the show.
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@XD-385

Who would free them, that we know of? Would Discord be lackadaisical this time if he found out Tirek went missing yet again, and likely inevitably senses him draining magic, with the other two likely in stow wherever they are, assuming the alliance didn’t fall apart because they couldn’t help but pin the blame on one another, due to how notoriously bad they are at taking responsibility? If it ever happened again, barring some unforeseen circumstances, they could go in guns-blazing, most powerful mages ready to stomp them, unlike in S4, because Tirek wouldn’t have someone like Discord protecting him.

They’re probably not getting the bell again, in any case. That opportunity for getting a power boost/power theft probably is next to impossible to pull off again, because we have no idea what happened to it, do we? I have my doubts they made whatever they did with it public information, unless proven otherwise. Could be in Discord’s dimension, could be buried at the bottom of the ocean, who knows?

All of that being said, having them go the way of Sombra probably would’ve been the better option in my eyes, to be honest, but the rating needed for them killing off a kid, psychopath or not, is likely too high. If they ever got freed somehow and inevitably caused trouble again (I don’t think it would be overly easy to undo a petrification spell Celestia, Luna, and Discord cooperated on to begin with though), I’m not inclined to think they’d be getting out of it alive if they lost again.

What even happened to their statue anyway? I’m not sure it was seen afterwards.
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@AC97
Then why trap them in stone untouched by time, leaving the possibility of them being released by a potential nefarious third party, now more hateful and vengeful on an unsuspecting world?
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@Red-Supernova

If you’re an Undertale fan, don’t you remember this exchange?

Oh, and Frisk…
Be careful in the outside world, OK?
Despite what everyone thinks, it’s not as nice as it is here.
There are a lot of Floweys out there.
And not everything can be resolved by just being nice.

Frisk…
Don’t kill, and don’t be killed, alright?
That’s the best you can strive for.


And in this case, the villains were three Floweys, in that being nice to them wouldn’t solve anything. It certainly failed with Cozy Glow, because she’d thrown every last bit of kindness and appreciation the heroes gave her away in cold-blood in the S8 finale, it failed with Tirek when he decided that his own brother pleading with him to halt with their plans wasn’t enough to dissuade him, and it certainly failed when Starlight tried after Chrysalis brought losing everything on herself.

Hell, none of them have a backstory alleviating their actions. They just are.



They all remind me of the King from Deltarune, the one who repays your mercy by mercilessly attacking you, after making you think he has a softer side.

The world isn’t perfect, and having it to where you can’t reason with everyone is a good way of showing that.

The moral of Undertale just wasn’t "violence solves nothing."


@blacksunset

They literally have no qualms about torturing children, or murdering them. They failed at every turn to show they even redeeming qualities to our heroes. That bait-and-switch in Frenemies utterly failed to make an impact on them for the better.

@Twi Clown

Exactly.
blacksunset
@ma3a
From my perspective so long as the final takedown was a group effort done by friends coming together to defeat a common foe who all outright rejected and hated the concept of friendship as a whole? I am fine with it. Besides its not like they killed them like the storm king
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@blacksunset
But having them be completely unable to be redeemed still goes completely against the spirit of the show… I still refuse to believe that they are incapable of reformation. Rhats kind of the point behind the epilogue series i am making(already has 3 pics)
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One other thing I want to add is that one of my reasons that influenced my views on wanting a better ending for Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy is the Undertale series. Yeah, you can all be tired of how that game is brought up all the time, call it a dated fad/meme, whatever, but its moralities of love and friendship can be easily replicated in MLP:FiM. Now I’d be all for seeing more FIGHTing happen between big bads but when they’re defeated, I expect to see somepony select MERCY in the end.
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