I'm venting out. Also, I need some constructive criticism.

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Hey… I know it might be silly of me, but I don understand why good artworks of mine , or being more specific, arts like this one here get stuck with less than 100 faves (even after a week or more) while the edits I do usually goes over 200 in 24 hours!
 
I know the NSFW is a good factor for it, but even so, it doesn’t make sense, it’s surreal for me the fact one edit has more than 1000 likes when my best NSFW artwork (which is not the best I did, at least in my opinion) has less than half of it!?  
I’m like:  

 
Also, I would really appreciate some constructive criticism on my work.  
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@Calena  
I don’t think your art is the problem, or a problem at all, it’s very nice looking. However I’ve noticed that every tome I do anything that isn’t a popular canon character, I get far less score, and I rarely do popular canon characters, so I rarely get good score. Even my highest rated images barring that point rarely go above 50, let alone 100. Just the way it is I suppose.
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Hey… I know it might be silly of me, but I don understand why good artworks of mine , or being more specific, arts like this one here get stuck with less than 100 faves (even after a week or more) while the edits I do usually goes over 200 in 24 hours!
 
The sad truth (depending on how you look at it) that you’re already aware of, is that we live in a world where sex sells. It’s not necessarily sad in the sense that I have a problem with it or anything, but sad in the sense that artists who don’t do NSFW often or even at all can get thrown under the bus, even if their work is really good. On top of that, it’s to my understanding that on Derpibooru, more people are searching for sexy content (even if only suggestive and not outright explicit) rather than 100% SFW content. At least with my own browsing habits, I can say that’s definitely true.
 
Tags, as well as how eye-catching your image is at a thumbnail size seems to be the main contributing factor to how many upvotes and faves a picture gets, except for really famous artists of course who likely have thousands of people watching their artist tag and every piece of artwork that they post that is up to their normal standard of quality will get a good score regardless of what it is.
 
However, from an artist’s perspective I can still definitely relate, and at the same time I’m also relieved that someone who’s been drawing MLP stuff much longer than I have struggles to pass the 100 score mark on completely SFW artwork, and that artwork that you might not have put that much effort into or something that you didn’t think was that good turns out to be a massive hit for whatever reason.
 
I know the NSFW is a good factor for it, but even so, it doesn’t make sense, it’s surreal for me the fact one edit has more than 1000 likes when my best NSFW artwork (which is not the best I did, at least in my opinion) has less than half of it!?
I’m like:
 
As before, you’re already aware that sex sells and that NSFW pieces in general receive more positive feedback, but interestingly enough a piece I did with AJ a while ago actually has more upvotes and faves on the SFW-ish bikni version (|| click here ) rather than the nude NSFW alternative version (click here ), and while I’m sure this isn’t the only example where the clothed version of a image is actually preferred by a notable margin, it’s definitely not something you see every day. My educated guess is that the Monster Energy bikini makes her go better with the car, and therefore is a bit more appealing despite it being against the norm of nude edits receiving more upvotes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
My most upvoted image of all time right now with a score of 440 and 319 faves is a picture of Octavia in some lingerie (
click here ||) and despite it taking the least amount of time to do even to this day as it was mostly just a quick, experimental test piece for a subtle shading and art style change, it was a home run and is my most upvoted image by far, and was completely unexpected. My next most highly rated image is more than 100 upvotes behind, and even then it’s of the same nature with an anthro character in a provocative pose against a simple background. The only conclusion that I can draw from this is that when it comes to doing art, less is sometimes more. Less detail in the background, more detail/focus on the character but still have an overall eye-catching piece where the character pops from the background, and use items or clothing of tags that people frequently search for seems to be the thing in common with all of my artwork that has a higher score than expected.
 
Also, I would really appreciate some constructive criticism on my work.
  • boop! * /)
 
oof
 
 
When it comes to constructive criticism, I find that it’s easier to give if I know what the person in question is going after in terms of style. I myself would say that style wise I’m going for something with realistic characters and backgrounds (both in shading, and proportions/perspective) that still have cartoon elements to them to avoid stepping into the uncanny valley realm of art. I’ve taken a look at the first five pages or so of your recently posted art, so if you reply with what you’re aiming for, I might be able to give some good feedback :D
 
I hope this long message was insightful in some way at the least.
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Dunno about that, mate, I make a lot of porn, but little to none of it is mainstream material, so it’s not popular.
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@ClearVision  
thats actually a good response, and yes Sex sells, thats why a lot of people visit this site and give more love to nsfw stuff, cuz we don’t see that kind of stuff much on TV networks, or any form of mainstream media (thats just my theory so just take it with a grain of salt).
 
Let’s go with criticism you asked for, here are some 3 stuff that i want to say:  
1. Thumbnail  
Just like Clearvision said, thumbnail is the bread and butter for gaining upvotes on this site, i saw kevinsano’s artwork being posted in like 56kb image size, but still gained 700 upvotes. If i look your arts from viewing thumbnail only,  
i can see that some of your drawing lacks of contrast between your character and the background.  
2. Style  
You need to rework your style from ground up. The way you draw faces struggles of showing clear expression, but Having a good style is quite hard to achieve, especially if you’re lacking of the fundamental of drawing, like drawing gesture, perspective and basic human face.  
3. Character and Context  
Let’s be real here, people like to see characters that are popular among the community. Hot mother, big pink princess, shy pones, you name it. If you mainly draw OC, it’s gonna backfire you a lot, because a lot of oc you draws so far have tons of flaws in design term such as unpleasing color palette, reused mane design etc.
 
My advice:  
1. Take notes from other artist  
I want you to find sfw artworks, and then put them side by side with yours. I don’t want you to become their knock off, like how people trying to be atryl back then to the point theres “atryl-ish” tag on derpi, but i want you to be inspired from their artwork.  
2. Trace and De-construct some of their artwork  
NOW HEAR ME OUT, AS LONG AS YOU TRACE ARTWORK FOR LEARNING PURPOSE, ITS FINE Best if you just keep it to yourself. I traced a lot of artwork in order to learn Proportion, Line weight, and Facial feature placement, here’s my take on shinodage drawing (original artwork)  
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This also point out my 1st advice, to take notes from other artist.  
3. Learn from real life  
I know its boring, i know its tiring, but drawing from real life would always help you on a lot of situation, i drew landscape, human faces, animal in order to understand more about colours, anatomy and gesture and it did pays off in the end. (but i’ve been lazy for doing those kind of stuff, so i’m not the best person to say it)
 
I think thats all i want to say right now.
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@ClearVision actually I’m not focusing on one particular style, instead I’m trying to do different as a way of learning, to know how to do different stuff.
 
@Burgerkiss  
Yes, I do edits on other artists artworks, so I do trace and deconstruct them sometimes.  
I also do get references from real life, but I don’t do this much often.
 
@LightningBolt  
Yes, tags, thumbnail, character and context, and NSFW… You all said it. It’s pretty obvious, I was blindfolded.
 
Thank you all so much!
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Dunno about that, mate, I make a lot of porn, but little to none of it is mainstream material, so it’s not popular.
 
At the end of the day, porn itself isn’t enough to make something popular; the key is to make porn of stuff that people are looking for, or at the very least is eye-catching if it isn’t based off something people would be looking for, so that they would be more inclined to check it out if they stumble upon it. You already seem aware of that though.
 
@Burgerkiss  
thats actually a good response, and yes Sex sells, thats why a lot of people visit this site and give more love to nsfw stuff, cuz we don’t see that kind of stuff much on TV networks, or any form of mainstream media (thats just my theory so just take it with a grain of salt).
 
My theory is that with reference to the MLP community specifically, as bronies have gotten older, their interest in adult MLP content has increased, and are now seeking said content to satisfy their curiosity of what their favourite characters would look like in a porn scenario or whatnot (I also know people that almost exclusively only search for explicit content nowadays). I almost can’t believe that I was 12 or 13 when I first heard about MLP, and now this year I’m not even a teenager anymore even though I still feel like one.
 
You’re still correct though that NSFW content when seen by the right people will be held in higher regard considering that you don’t see it in mainstream media outlets, and in some cases, steps are being taken to remove or censor it.
 
cough Tumblr and UK porn laws cough cough
 
 
@Calena  
actually I’m not focusing on one particular style, instead I’m trying to do different as a way of learning, to know how to do different stuff.
 
It might be beneficial to have a clear vision pun somewhat intended of what you want your style to be after you’ve experimented enough to find out what looks good and what doesn’t both to you and other people.
 
You’re welcome
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Dunno about that, mate, I make a lot of porn, but little to none of it is mainstream material, so it’s not popular.
the key is to make porn of stuff that people are looking for
 
Which is not something I care to do myself, personally. ;P
 
I mean there’s always a market for things. Just gotta hope your audience shows up.
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@LightningBolt  
Admittedly, a lot of popular porn is really feeling “samey” and I wish there were more creative and tasteful stuff that immediately strikes you as being different.
 
I haven’t seen your stuff, but if I’m in the mood I may check your art for the hell of it, to see what it is you do :p
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I often browse the popular stuff because it’s not uncommon to find things drawn very well.
 
Other than that I don’t really care about popular vote. It’s all like oral-futa-ballsack-deltavee. There is a lot of really nice stuff in popular vote, but it excludes a lot for the sake of vanilla sex, and average things drawn very well.
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@freezestime  
For most intents and purposes your art is really nice.
 
The chibi deviations are incredibly strong though, making the neck twice as long as the rest of the spine, and the eyes take up 70% of the face. This is useful for giving art hyperbolic energy, but I wouldn’t use these proportions as the base for every construction.
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Friends, can I get some criticism on my proportions/position? It’s NSFW and human
 
I was about to say that I couldn’t find this on your Derpi profile anywhere. If you DM me a link to wherever you have it posted, I’d be willing to give you my honest thoughts on the artwork :)
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I don’t wanna be a D*** here but @celena. you don’t need to complain about works that normally getting scores over 100 or even 200. Take a look at my (only the messy/muddy ones) works they all getting downvoted everytime. I would be just more than happy if i my works got scores above 10 or atleast 8 and above 25 is best for me. 50 or 100 or even higher wil be great but i wil never make it that high score.
 
Plus i get almost only comments with same dull anoying critsm. like: work on your porpotion or tag your stuff right (i do that as well).
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@Amateur-draw  
Name is Calena. And, talking about your case, most of your drawings are fetishes, done the same way, and not that much detailed or expressive, that’s probably why you get so many downvotes. Mine are not like yours, but even so, I have many things to work on them… These artworks I do are also part of my earnings, so it’s really important for me to be better.
 
And, I asked this question because of my curiosity, to understand what I’m doing wrong than just complaining that I’m not famous or something.
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I don’t wanna be a D*** here but @celena. you don’t need to complain about works that normally getting scores over 100 or even 200. Take a look at my (only the messy/muddy ones) works they all getting downvoted everytime.
 
I’m pretty sure that any artist that is at least half-serious about what they are doing will always be looking for ways to get more followers, improve their work and get more exposure, which means that more people will be willing to get commissions, make donations or pledge to a Patreon for example. You shouldn’t see it as petty complaining at all.
 
If you’re not happy about the response that you’re getting from your art, then the time has come to take a different approach because only an insane person will do the same thing and expect different results. BK summed up the three main things to think about quite nicely:
 
Burgerkiss
1. Thumbnail
Just like Clearvision said, thumbnail is the bread and butter for gaining upvotes on this site, i saw kevinsano’s artwork being posted in like 56kb image size, but still gained 700 upvotes. If i look your arts from viewing thumbnail only,
i can see that some of your drawing lacks of contrast between your character and the background.
2. Style
You need to rework your style from ground up. The way you draw faces struggles of showing clear expression, but Having a good style is quite hard to achieve, especially if you’re lacking of the fundamental of drawing, like drawing gesture, perspective and basic human face.
3. Character and Context
Let’s be real here, people like to see characters that are popular among the community. Hot mother, big pink princess, shy pones, you name it. If you mainly draw OC, it’s gonna backfire you a lot, because a lot of oc you draws so far have tons of flaws in design term such as unpleasing color palette, reused mane design etc.
 
Let’s start with the thumbnail. I’m sorry if this comes across as blunt, but out of your recent artwork (I only went as far back as two years), the only images that I personally find catches my eye at a thumbnail size are this one and this one. Ignoring the fact that I dislike mud fetishes, the fact that you typically draw ponies completely covered in mud, that means that you’ve got pretty much only a few colours going on, and one of the things that will catch the attention of the eye is contrast as well as good colour choices. That, along with a fetish that some people will avoid like the plague because they feel like it’s not far off from scat is why you’re getting downvotes.
 
Next, style. It would be a good idea for you to also rework your style from the ground up and learn anatomy. There’s a reason why people have been bringing it up a fair amount in your comments section is because it’s true. Your ponies tend to look quite flat, and I’ve also noticed in the comments that some people suspect that you’ve been rushing your art. Unless you’re doing a commission for someone and they’ve been waiting for months and months on end, there’s virtually no reason for you to rush your art, so please take as much time as you need to make the highest quality artwork that you can.
 
Next, character and context. You typically use characters that most people would actually be searching for, so no problems there. However, instead of context, I will talk about composition which involves the pose of the character, the angle, the lighting direction, colour choices and the background if applicable as well as any extras. Bad composition is the final nail in the coffin for me; your art may come across as low effort to some people because of the generic looking backgrounds, bad pony anatomy, low amount of detail and bad colour choices. Your grass and plants usually are too saturated in their green colour, as well as your skies. Your clouds don’t really look like clouds, and the only thing that you seem to get right is… well the mud, but even the mud could be improved.
 
Plus i get almost only comments with same dull anoying critsm. like: work on your porpotion or tag your stuff right (i do that as well).
 
Don’t see it as annoying, see it as something to work on that has been pointed out multiple times to you. You can call it harsh if you want, but I personally think it is better to be blunt and upfront with feedback and criticism rather than sugar coat everything and only give praise, which causes artists to become delusional.
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@Calena  
Sorry for your name. And yes my woks are fetish works and i thought yo where complaining cause this is called  
“i’m venting out also i need some constructive critism”. So are you saying my works are just bad? Plus your works need to be perfect for you to get your needs? And what if they aren’t good? What would you do when your works getting downvoted the whole time and still you don’t know what the people don’t like about your works. What would you do?
 
 
 
 
@ClearVision  
Well I tried to work on my porpotion and anatomy since 2017. And i don’t get it why people still hammering on that point. And am not rushing my works i almost sit and work on my works 8 to 16 hours to get atleast a good result.  
Also i don’ have the right programs to draw.All i use is silly GIMP and that’s all. Don’t ask me to download Paintool or Krita or others cause my pc crashes. My pc can’t handle those programs.
 
My background are bad and boring i know but my lighting or shading is where i try to put my work in. I see other artist draw their mud and ponies all covered in mud and they don’t suffer a shower of downvotes all the time.
 
So what should i do? Almost everything you name is bad about my works.  
And don’t say draw something else than mud cause i won’t.
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@Calena
Sorry for your name. And yes my woks are fetish works and i thought yo where complaining cause this is called
“i’m venting out also i need some constructive critism”. So are you saying my works are just bad? Plus your works need to be perfect for you to get your needs? And what if they aren’t good? What would you do when your works getting downvoted the whole time and still you don’t know what the people don’t like about your works. What would you do?
 
Just a small part of it (because the context is related). If I would be just complaining, the title would be “Why my drawings can’t get more upvotes?”, but I also mentioned I want feedback and I’m using this as an analysis, but it seems you didn’t get that;
 
I didn’t said your works are bad, I just said mine are not like yours. And I also meant both my artworks and your artworks can get better;
 
My artworks don’t have to be perfect, they just have to be good enough, and if they are not good, then they are not good;
 
I also have artworks with more downvotes than upvotes, but at least I know why they have downvotes… Do you know why your artworks have downvotes??
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Well I tried to work on my porpotion and anatomy since 2017. And i don’t get it why people still hammering on that point.
 
Because it still needs work. Granted I can see the improvement in anatomy from your art pieces from 2 years ago and I’m willing to acknowledge that, I’d be lying to you if I said that there isn’t any major work left that still needs to be done. There’s a difference between an artist who’s at least got the basics down and just needs to either refine their style or experiment with different styles, and an artist that hasn’t quite gotten the hang of the basics yet.
 
The bodies of your ponies have gotten better compared to your art in 2017, but I think the biggest thing you need to work on is how you draw your heads, eyes and faces. You need to be able to understand that the head can be simplified into a 3D sphere, and eyes can be simplified into an ellipse shape, and that all of this is called construction. Here’s a really quick example I did in three or so minutes:
 
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By no means is this perfect, nor is it meant to be, as it’s just a quick demonstration, and rough sketches almost by definition won’t be perfect, and are just used to roughly indicate where things will go so that details and refinements can be added later.
 
If we take a look at your recent Fluttershy piece, the ellipses for your eyes are exactly the same size and degree (width), but the muzzle would suggest that she’s looking off to our left. This one of the reasons why your ponies look flat, and one of the things that you need to work on:
 
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My background are bad and boring i know but my lighting or shading is where i try to put my work in. I see other artist draw their mud and ponies all covered in mud and they don’t suffer a shower of downvotes all the time.
 
Due to the nature of what you typically draw, my educated guess is that a significant amount of people on this site either would rather not want to see it, or would prefer to look at other things. Therefore, the quality of your art needs to improve so that people can appreciate your art as art, even though it involves something they may not like.
 
 
And am not rushing my works i almost sit and work on my works 8 to 16 hours to get atleast a good result.
 
So what should i do? Almost everything you name is bad about my works.
And don’t say draw something else than mud cause i won’t.
 
I wasn’t accusing you of rushing your artwork, I was just pointing something out that I saw in your comments and mentioned it just in case you were. Speaking of comments, I think what Plinko said on one of your slightly older art pieces sums it up pretty nicely:
 
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I have zero experience using GIMP and I’ve only heard about it, but if GIMP doesn’t have layers then I’d argue that this is one of the things that also might be holding you back. Getting a better program doesn’t mean that you will become a better artist overnight, but layers to me are so fundamental to digital drawing, I couldn’t imagine drawing without them. I sketch with layers, do my lineart on separate layers and colour in my artwork with layers; I don’t think I would be able to do what I do without them, but traditional art is a different story.
 
If you can’t run Krita, Medibang or FireAlpaca which are the main art programs that are free, get the job done, and have enough tools for you to create decent art, the only thing I can say is start saving up for a PC upgrade.
 
I’m sorry if I’m coming across as overly harsh, but if you want to know why you’re getting downvoted, everything I’ve said so far explains it and the only thing I have to offer is the truth.
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I’m sorry i come harsh and rude over but you really won’t understand how frustrated i am.
 
To anwser your question: Yes i do know why. Not everyone likes ponies all muddy and yes honestly you got a point i do always use the same background and poses over and over again.
 
About the muzzle or nose. I see amny other drawing of people drawing the muzzle almost in the face. I don’t really have an example but that is what i tried to do with my latest work.
 
But anyway thanks for both your critism and the help you offerd to me. I am again sorry i came rude over.  
But i guess i wil never be a good at drawing ponies in general in a perfect right way.
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I mean, there’s hardly a mystery here, if you just put the pictures OP linked next to each other it’s immediately obvious which one looks better and which one will logically get more votes.
 
When you do an edit, obviously you’re benefitting from the other artist’s skill in the composite with a result exceeding what you may be capable of on your own.  
(This is especially true to those who specialize in stuff like coloring, who might be able to pretty up other’s lineart/sketches but have obvious issues with perspective, anatomy, composition etc. as soon as they build those on their own.)  
Also, when you do edits, they benefit from the watchers of the tags of the other artist. Compare the number of votes the other artist’s works are getting and you’ll see that  
(There’s a basic marketing lesson there btw: cross-promotion works. If you do collabs, fanart of even just edits of other artists you might be able to siphon some of their fans to follow your work too. IF your art can offer them something to a similar standard as that artist.)
 
Your last Seafom pics look super impressive though! I think you’ve developed skill in a lot of drawing topics and it’s really just a matter of filling gaps now. It’s kind of enviable actually when you meet a beginner in a topic who already mastered other topics and everything they learn just blows into these masterworks as they acquire them dwarfing other beginners, haha. So there’s that! Also some times in life when I felt like I wasn’t making any progress despite doing everything right, I made a list of what I was doing. And it often turned out that I WAS doing it right but I just needed to stick to it closer, or slightly rearrange, or pinpoint one element to still fix, and then it started working. That’s how learning works really but you can get stuck for years all depressed in these situations where you’re learning but not progressing and then when you rearrange it in your head suddenly it finally all starts to work. So yeah, keep it up!
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