What happened to Grimdark?

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I might be biased, especially since I’m an artist that treats mostly that kind of material, but I’m starting to think the fandom has renounced making grimdark art. And I’m not talking about drawings that are supposed to be grimdark by default like depictions of over-sexualized rape and straight up gore, I’m talking about pictures that are specifically built to convey anxiety, depression, sadness, negative emotions, all through dark atmosphere and mood.  
Why isn’t there much of those kind of artists around anymore in the pony fandom? There used to be a lot of material to go around, but now this sector of art is almost like a dried well. Worst of all, it feels like it’s looked down upon, as if it was a bad thing to express negative emotions and convey different messages than the mainstream.  
People need to understand that not everything needs to be colorful and happy all the time.  
What the hell happened to grimdark?
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I think the vast majority of the people left in this fandom are here for the porn and or colorful ponies.
 
Although I once had minor success with a grimdark ask blog and my only real insight to it is that the genre was oversaturated with over the top edginess and at times just being straight up derivative of each other.  
I think grimdark hinged a lot on popular grimdark fanfics considering the artwork made depicting “Cupcakes” and “Rainbow Factory”.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think there has been another “big” grimdark fanfic since then.  
I’m of the opinion that people generally didn’t like cupcakes or rainbow factory, but that dramatic readings and the artwork brought it to life. The only reason why cupcakes got popular was cause it was a meme.
 
Perhaps the fact that it was a meme gave that kinda artwork a place in the fandom. While writing this response I also came to think of that the interest in creepypasta peaked around 2014 and has been steadily declining since.
 
I think it’s up to us as artists to try and make our artwork more compelling, I don’t think most people are out after pushing down dark art. While there are certainly some people that do look down on it, most people pay it no mind cause of the oversaturation.
 
Cause god damn another creepy picture of Pinkamena covered in blood with a knife in her mouth and a banner over her which reads “Life is a Party”, never seen that before.
 
I don’t know, I’m probably just talking out my ass.
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idk, I really like grimdark stuff, I wouldn’t call myself great at making it personally and I have my own brand of edginess, but I’d enjoy seeing more that isn’t half-assed.
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Unfortunately, I think the grimdark stuff is just a phase for a lot of people.
 
When you’re a teenager, and more moody, you have a lot more to get off your chest, and your interests happen to line up with My Little Pony, which often makes something great. But, years later, when you finally work through those emotions, you don’t really have a need to get it out anymore, and oftentimes these people know that their work will suffer if their heart isn’t in it.
 
This is why they move on from grimdark, too. They don’t like feeling miserable. When there’s more lighthearted things (like the actual show) to be enjoyed, suddenly death, surrealism, horror, and whatever else feel a lot less appealing. At least, it’s something they don’t want to be exposed to all the time.
 
I can’t account for that being the reason why every grimdark artist stopped drawing it, but that’s what I think the most common reason might be.
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Anything that warrants the grimdark tag in general just seems to struggle on Derpibooru. And a majority of it is going to be edgy OC stuff or fetish-related.
 
It’s more of a niche form of entertainment that walks a fine line. If you overdo it in the gore or grimdark department, it becomes extremely unlikable (even though most of the people downvoting the image do it because they dislike the content, when they should just hide the content and move on). If you put it in without enough context, it just gets too edgy.
 
Very hard balance to please those interested, who are already a relative minority in the fandom.
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It also just doesn’t help that the pioneers of grimdark haven’t left anyone behind that can keep that sort of content going. It’s sad, but it is how it is I suppose.
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It also just doesn’t help that the pioneers of grimdark haven’t left anyone behind that can keep that sort of content going. It’s sad, but it is how it is I suppose.
 
I myself only dabble in it. My mostly-family friendly project list outweighs my grimdark content 10 to 1.
 
Actually some of what I’ve drawn has gotten a few funny haters to try getting me banned from conventions. Every time I announce running panels somewhere, someone actually bothers sending emails to con staff asking them to prevent me from attending.
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That’s pretty extreme for someone who barely draws grimdark, but also kinda indicative of the state of the fandom’s views on this stuff. The super good artists like crookedtrees, or pig-fish are just gone, or not making that kinda stuff anymore, so the fandom doesn’t have a good example for their dark stuff anymore.
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I’ve drawn some downright horrible things, but it seems you’re either a regular on the Facebook side of the fandom, or everywhere else. Because they’ve tried getting me banned in groups too, and they message every Facebook page that posts my artwork and tell them not to do it anymore.
 
There’s a bit of a story behind it, but it’s grown to become rather absurd. Some people would PM me and talk about how disgusting or hateful I am only for me to show a couple images on Derpibooru and express their popularity.
 
Seriously, the Facebook ponies live in a cave.
 
But I’ve also had an image banned almost everywhere, including Derpibooru.
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I enjoy some grimdark, although I’m more of fan of either abstract-situation horror or in-character dark situations.
 
I do struggle a bit with the Adaptational Villainy trope in grimdark fan content because I developed some empathy for those characters, but overall I’m not against dark situations for the ponies.
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Yeah, sadly, that behaviour is partially why I think grimdark has lost popularity. It’s really more annoying that people are so vehemently against it than the fact it’s lost steam
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If you draw grimdark, you lose watchers, get downvotes, see people calling you a troll, etc.  
Basically fandom just forced those people out or “taught” them this kind of art won’t be liked here.  
Sometimes I want to draw Starlight or Scootaloo horribly abused and then I remind myself how much shit it would stir up.
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I’m actually curious now. How many users here hide Grimdark vs Explicit? I don’t hide either one (though I wish Explicit would have less sexual intercourse in my firing line, it’s like people are not tagging sex “sex” specifically to piss me off at this point), but I’d like to know. I’d also like to know how many people watch those ratings… And how many watch other tags…
 
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IIRC Scootabuse is so highly frowned upon because it used to be common before Sleepless in Ponyville jossed it like Crusaders of the Lost Mark jossed every “Diamond Tiara is motherless” fic ever. Honestly, at this point, Rainbow Factory and Pegasus Device are the only “RD abusing Scootaloo” fics I’m aware of that could even remotely still work.
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Yeah, this is kinda what OP meant, the grimdark of today is a lot less caked in surrealism and mature themes, and more just… dark.
 
The real question is, how did it end up like this? Considering the fact grimdark was not as shamed back then, what made this turn happen? Was it just a lack of talented people for other grimdark artists to find shelter under?
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I think creepypasta fans making same shitty stuff without any hope of improving or creating new interesting concepts ruined the reputation of genre.  
For a good example, check out those scawry .exe games, some people still do Jeff killers, fnaf, zalgo (this sometimes can look good, I admit), Slenderman, etc.  
So, yes, the genre turned into a clown shitshow with edgy axcrazy characters always covered in ketchup and muffins.  
I cringe so hard when I stumble up on them, they are not scary, not creepy, not even disgusting, they are just boring.  
I don’t mean to insult any artists but you can compare how not to and how to:
 
 

 
I had an interest in detailed macabre in past but nowadays, when I have skills to create some, no one even bothers looking at it unless some tits/ass or genitalia is involved.  
Also so few people bother doing research of folklore, city legends, myths, etc.  
This is merely my personal experience and feedback.
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Indeed.
 
Some people just can’t pull dark subjects without looking like an edgelord. Grimdark by nature needs people to have a strong stomache metaphorically speaking, which often can lead into apathy if not well handled.
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Me personally, I dislike the random screencap image edits of characters just being beaten up for no reason.
 
 
It’s a fine line indeed, but while all of it isn’t very well liked, it also depends on what you’re looking for. I like gore, grimdark, dark humor, Nazi jokes, crepypasta, and things that make people’s eyes bleed in sorrow, but most people, even you guys, are particularly picky about what you want to see; so the subcategories of a niche subject has sharp divides; my preference is for some kind of substance or something going on.
 
This artwork is 3 years old when I was still learning how to draw ponies just 4 months after I became a brony. But it’s become my most popular piece from 2016. So I know there’s been an audience for it.  

 
Horse-News ran an article about a Facebook reaction to it.
 
And this guy did a comic dub.
 
Hasn’t done too badly on Facebook either; I’m not even sure everywhere it’s been shared.
 
 
There’s also the one I did of Snowdrop and a really bad joke with Scootabuse.
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If I can give my two cents, I blame the popularity of Cupcakes and the creepypasta/grimdark fad from the early years of the fandom and Sturgeon’s Law which states that 99% of anything is shit. Ever since the unexpected popularity of the fanfiction, a lot of people wanted a slice of that success and started coming up with grimdark stories of their own starring the cute little ponies, some surviving and others being forgotten and buried by time. The grimdark stuff also spawned a lot of fanart, music and even fan animations (most infamously Smile HD by Mister Davey) so it was a massive trend at the time.
 
However, the popularity of it declined when the fandom itself started declining in activity after Season 3 because of all the drama involving Twilicorn and Equestria Girls. Most of the people who was involved in it either left or changed their views on it, the latter also happening with the rest of the fandom as time went on and the show transitioned more towards arc driven stories and exploring its lore. What didn’t help is that Sergeant Sprinkles, the author of the fanfic Cupcakes that got the ball rolling, admitted that he deliberately made it to be shocking and edgy for the sake of it with no substance and that he got upset that people took it seriously and that it overshadowed his other works. Even though grimdark stuff is still alive, it’s not popular as it was during the golden age and people’s opinions of it has largely changed.
 
TL;DR: It used to be a fad back in the day, but it died down like fads usually do alongside people’s views on it because of time and people’s tastes changing.
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That’s the Project Horizons Effect and the PewDiePie Effect conspiring together… Seriously, it’s why we have like six fanfics people really talk about en masse* and only two of them aren’t edgy AF grimdark (and of those only one is good at it and the rest is just shock shlock)
 
*Cupcakes, Rainbow Factory, Fallout: Equestria (the good one), Cheerilee’s Garden, and Sweet Apple Massacre. The exceptions are Bubbles and My Little Dashie. Maybe also Story of the Blanks. And Smile HD. Noticing a pattern here?
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Never heard of it being referred to as that, but to put it in simplest terms: time and audience’s tastes changed overtime just like with the popularity of every other piece of media.
 
Those ones that you mentioned are the ones that survived the test of time while the rest got forgotten. Even then, some of those seem dated now.
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The Project Horizons Effect is basically where something that becomes popular first overshadows everything else, like Project Horizons. It doesn’t have to be the first, just what becomes popular first. Look at Touhou, for example.
 
The PewDiePie effect is where popular creators have influence and make things popular because of human herding instinct. It’s so named because PewDiePie is why Flappy Bird became popular.
 
I’m still trying to work out the particular details of these, though, so take my usage with a grain of salt.
 
Fallout: Equestria mainly, as it hinged on the show no introducing new races or making Twilight an alicorn. Once the series is done, though, I’d pitch in for a “new lore friendly” rewritten version that combines the Big 5. As for the pattern? They’re all either sad or gore.
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