[Closed] /pol/ Thread Simulator - 2016 Edition

@Cirrus Light  
What ?  
How are anarchists right wing ?  
They are left wing !  
Proudhon, considered the first person to call himself an Anarchist, once said that “property is theft”

@Commune  
Again, you completely ignored my rebuttals, but your distinctions are arbitrary and terribly over-simplified, and the only way to enforce what you purpose is a horrible tyranny that has killed more people than the Nazis ever dreamt of. Your horrible philosophies have killed more people in this century alone than any other philosophy to ever exist, and they’re just as morally and logically bankrupt as they are atrocious and impoverished in practice, and the only reason you believe them is because you’ve never worked hard on anything in your life and so you don’t understand that work is necessary for a society to function, and if everyone did what they wanted then no society would ever function in anything but starving squalor (and this is why many countries are starving).
 
You ignore every point I make so I’m simply going to state this and move on. It’s quite simple, really.

@Cirrus Light  
Oh hey it’s you, long time

@neutralgrey  
Tax cuts are libertarian and military interventions are authoritarian, so if by liberal you mean libertarian left leaning individuals then only partially.

@Commune  
No anarchists are libertarian, they can be either libertarian left or libertarian right in nature.

@Background Pony #0828  
Libertarians aren’t liberals. If you wanna be specific America is basically an oligarchy, our politicians do the bidding of the donor class, tax cuts makes the lives of the rich easier and wars give companies like Boeing and Raytheon opportunities to profit from the war, you know the military industrial complex

@Cirrus Light  
I’m not a Marxist-Leninist so your whole “1 gozillan people killed by communism” spill doesn’t concern me  
Marxism Leninism is the ideology of the soviets and Mao  
I don’t follow that  
“that work is necessary for society to function”  
Until robots become better than humans in most manual jobs(which I expect to be in a few decades), I agree  
As for “people won’t work under Socialism” criticism often thrown at me  
Free Territory of Ukraine and Anarchist Catalonia laughs in the distance  
Both were successful as fuck until imperialists took over  
Read Albert Einstein’s, “Why Socialism”

@neutralgrey  
No I wasn’t talking about libertarians in the party sense, I meant libertarian in the political theory sense as an opposing force to authoritarianism and a secondary political axis.

@Background Pony #0828  
Actually

@Background Pony #0828  
That makes sense, and I’m not being sarcastic

@Commune  
If they were so successful then how did the imperialists take over? Seems to me like they were pretty mediocre if they crumbled that easily at the first bit of condlict…

@Commune  
I know libertarian socialist isn’t an oxymoron, I literally said that anarchists, the highest form of libertarianism, can be left leaning.

@Background Pony #0828  
Because the Imperialists had more manpower  
Like much more manpower  
Mahkno was lucky in taking down the white army, and the soviets were kinda helping them too  
But when the soviets came to the Free Territory, Mahkno got his ass kicked all the way to Paris  
While in Catalonia, over there they mainly made out of workers so Franco crushed them pretty easily with the whole weak resistance

@Background Pony #0828  
There is only one form of Anarchism that can be considered sort of right wing, and that is Anarcho Capitalism  
But I struggle calling them Anarchists though

@neutralgrey  
In my opinion authoritarianism is the bigger problem so it always saddens me when left-libertarian and right-libertarian people keep blaming each other for the authoritarian actions that the other side commits, if we could address the problems that we have in a more nuanced fashion I think we would be far less divided as a whole…
 
@Commune  
Well then they sound both stupid and weak tbh. :I

@Commune  
Why would you struggle calling them anarchists though? They are the more prominent group (in America) so they represent anarchism pretty well in the public eye and it’s not like anarchism isn’t already a contradiction as it is…

@Background Pony #0828  
Agreed, although I have my problems with America at least I can speak my mind and at least my life isn’t totally controlled by schizophrenic zealots who think God is talking to them.

@neutralgrey  

 
You obviously have never been to Texas then. :p

@Background Pony #0828  
I do live in Texas, which is why I said “not totally controlled” because while I can’t marry someone of the same sex (not that I want to) I don’t have to go to church, I can worship whatever God I want or choose not to worship any God, and I can watch movies and play video games not censored by the church

@Background Pony #0828  
They were good for the time they existed  
Had they had more manpower they would have succeeded  
Catalonia couldn’t deal within Franco as he had tons of troops on his army while Catalonia had very few people fighting for them  
And as for Mahkno, he tried his best  
Ukraine is very small compared to Russia  
Can’t really blame Free Territory for losing  
If only they had Oda Nobunaga

@neutralgrey  
I know, I was just trying to make a joke, but honestly there are way worse states than Texas for that stuff…

@Background Pony #0828  
I struggle as you see, Anarchists want to abolish all unjustified hierarchies  
Capitalism is unjustified(the entire thread disagrees with me on that one)  
It is also a hierarchy(I think we can all agree on that)  
So…

@Background Pony #0828  
In my opinion Saudi Arabia is the most notorious example of a theocracy

@neutralgrey  
Um, I think you can marry someone of the same sex in Texas  
Didn’t the supreme court of America made that legal for the entire US since last year ?(except in reservations)