The Pizza Thread - With a Side of Toxic-Mario

Background Pony #AF39
He wrote in a comment on that traced Rarity picture he has all the video of him drawing the picture but he didn’t show it here. I smell bullshit.
Background Pony #AF39
So Toxic-Mario is safe from any backlash for selling traced art? That’s nice.
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I wouldn’t say any backlash… I’m sure there will be some. At the very least, Horse News loves this type of thing. Can’t say I blame them.
Background Pony #AF39
Horse News on twitter had an exchange with Toxic-Mario and I think they don’t care.
Background Pony #AE82
His attitude is a known problem, so to the people worrying he’ll face “no consequences”, don’t worry. That kind of thing always catches up to a person eventually and I can honestly say that other convention vendors are well aware of him.
 
By simply discussing this, we’ve already drawn plenty of attention to the trace. Regardless of how many times he tries to cover it up, people know it’s a trace now. Forming a lynch mob will only make him smugger and ruder, because it gives him ground to say “wow look at all these assholes harassing me”. Don’t give him that.
 
He traces because he’s not good enough to draw things on his own. He’ll learn eventually. If him tracing makes you that angry, don’t buy his merch at conventions! Tell other people he traces. Word of mouth DOES get around, and it’s far more effective than yelling at a screen.  
It’s nice that everyone cares enough about the integrity of art to be bothered by a person selling a trace. Keep caring! Eventually this kind of thing will be more widely excluded and people will stop letting it slide.
Background Pony #F2D9
He keeps on insisting he has proof it’s not a trace despite, well, overwhelming evidence that in fact is a trace.
 
He will do it again.
 
 
@Background Pony #A5E4  
I’m aware of that. Toxic think that the internet won’t notice, but the internet WILL notice.  
And make him pay. I’m pretty sure dp faced some serious harrassment after the fact. Like, ACTUAL harrassment.
 
Toxic, you cannot keep calling this “silly” and “comical”. The more you ignore it the worse it will get.
Background Pony #AE82
@Background Pony #34A6  
But this time is different. This time he’s properly traced. This is the first time I’ve ever seen his work ACTUALLY turn out to be a trace with no room for doubt.
Background Pony #F2D9
I’m seriously starting to think that he really is that delusional about that yoko not being a trace.  
Either that, or he is quite persistent in denying the obvious
Background Pony #8743
i don’t think any of you is taking all the points, you are just following what the other people say  
first of all if it were a trace all the lines would match perfect, i want to think he used it as a reference to make his anthro  
second, you are accusating him from selling it as a trace even if it is a draw made out from a reference, guess what, almost 70% of the pony art came from this kind of stuff and some bronies even sell it as their work even if they used a reference to make that pose (commisions, bags, dakis, mousepads, shirts, etc).  
third, i know TM almost always uses the same poses for his comics, but i have seen him drawing and he actually redo his sketches (another thing to point out, he uses sketchs he does offline to do his anthros and he even changes somethings because he didn’t like how it look in the sketch or he though of a better pose)  
fourth, i know this place had problems with TM in the past, im guessing thats why you are always trying to find more stuff to attack him, which if you ask me its kinda lame  
and fifth, you are saying aswell he used traces before too, im going to tell you something, a lot of the pony images that have been done were draw before, mostly the same pose, you cant expect to draw something and expect its fully original and no one ever tried to draw it before, of course there are exceptions, but from time to time this exceptions have become less and less
 
it sounds like im defending TM alot but its mostly because no one is taking all the points to take a veredict, as i said before, most of you are only following the crowd, this fandom is extreamly easy to trigger its almost funny how the show this fandom follows is about “love and toleration” and it rarely shows any, not saying all the time bronies are completely violent, i’ve seen how you end arguments peacefully, this is how drama works, it goes by not saying the true and exagerating the lies (come on guys, you and i know almost all the drama going on in this fandom is just an exageration of the facts, like what happened to ilovekimposiblealot)
Background Pony #F2D9
@Background Pony #FF3A  
The lines of rariyoko definetely match, denying that is going against the painfully obvious. And he told he was gonna make merchandise out of it.
 
And how can we take all points in account if he keeps denying us of all those supposed “proof” he has.  
He keeps saying he has videos and that he had permission of the original artist, but still refuses to show them.
 
That is shady in my opinion.  
I had no opinion on tm before this fact, i just thought that drawing was just too good for his usual skill amd i discovered it was in fact traced.
 
Also, this is a pretty serious issue, as selling traced artwork is theft.
 
 
The point of contention now is his attitude towards the trace, with him acting in full on denial, which makes me think he learned bothing and will do this again and again.
Background Pony #F2D9
It’s not an accusation made without evidence. The image is clearly traced, you can all see it with your eyes. He only resized some parts and put rarity face on it.  
He said he was gonna make merchandise on it and that it was successful at cons.  
He never cited the original artist and tried to delete the trace tag twice.  
Also he’s refusing to show evidence he claim will clear his name.
 
These are all facts, no exageration.  
It probably is the only traced pic, but it is traced and he had the intention to sell it or to promote his merchandise.  
We are pointing out that this is unacceptable behavior and that if he keeps doing it he will end up like drawpony.
Background Pony #8743
@Background Pony #34A6  
mmmm  
i see your points, must of this is mostly of two big factors  
1.- the fact that he is breaking the law by selling merchandise that wasn’t made by him  
2.- his attitude  
also, i read again most of the comments and you are right, there are not much of an exageration here, mostly just points and facts, but some being kinda forced to fit in this situation
Background Pony #AF39
In comments on his Rarity picture he writes he has the proof of his innocence but can’t show it because the video is too big :D
Background Pony #F2D9
@Background Pony #2D44  
no, i mean becoming like drawpony. If he legitimately thinks that that does not constitute trace, he’ll keep doing it and he will get to the point where he won’t be able to escape the interest of big sites.
 
I wish he would just come here and answer. Ignoring it will only make it go longer than necessary.
Background Pony #F2D9
I have some update. He’s blocking (on deviant art) everyone that will comment posting the link to the traced artwork or this discussion, flagging them as spam.
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