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That makes sense though, seeing that the 1964 Corvette Stingray has interesting rear glass too. I think more of a first generation Barracuda in this case though since it’s a bit larger.
 
This is the first time I’ve heard of Fiat bringing Alfa Romeo here. I have no idea what it’s going to look like yet, if they’ll modify it or not.
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@RainbowDash69  
That’s a cute little convertible. It reminds me of the microcar Audrey Hepburn drove in How To Steal a Million (wonderful film, by the way).
 
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@BarryFromMars  
Speaking of the Barracuda, rumor has it that Dodge may make a Barracuda convertible after they switch the Challenger to an Alfa chassis for weight reduction next generation. A Dodge convertible will be cool but I’ll be a little sad to see the current Challenger go. It’s a misunderstood car. Everybody compares the Challenger to the Camaro and Mustang but for better or worse it’s not a budget sports car like those have become. The Challenger is better appreciated as a big comfy retro cruiser.
 
Alfa Romeo has two new sedans. One is the Quadrifoglio with a twin turbo V6 and the other is the Giulia with a turbo four. Both look about the same.
 
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Alfa is also making a wagon but not for America. We get their Stelvio crossover instead.
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Hah, I’ve been hearing rumors about the Barracuda since 2009! I’m sure Fiat will make sure everything is awesome though. I really wish I could buy a Challenger now, I think it is the perfect American pony car right now. If they change the DNA to be more Italian, it will make a lot of us muscle-fans upset!
 
It’s true, the car is misunderstood. It is sheer muscle, while the Mustang and Camaro continue to be more refined.
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@kleptomage  
That car is cute, but now I feel even more reminded of this car:  
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but seriously, that Alfa Romeo grill looks absolutely the same as it did in the 60s. I am so shocked they can keep it the same…
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@RainbowDash69  
I like the Challenger enough that I’d seriously consider buying one if I was to get a vehicle for only half the year and couldn’t spring for a real sports car like the F-Type or GT-R. The Mustang is all right but everyone and their brother has a Mustang and the Camaro is too small. The Challenger is even somewhat practical with the large trunk and backseats that are usable by actual adults.
 
I’d have mine in B5 blue.  
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@kleptomage  
Here’s hoping FCA does a good job with that platform switch. I’d hate to see the Charger/Challenger/300 lose their “big American sedan” character, their V8s, or their price points. (The cheapest Giulia is going to cost about as much as a Scat Pack Charger.) On the other hand, if they do it right, I’d love to see what Dodge could do with the Stelvio. Take that body, stick a 5.7 under the hood, and keep the price out of the stratosphere, and you’d have a pretty wild RWD/AWD hot hatchback/crossover.
 
@RainbowDash69  
I always liked that car. Kind of reminds me of an early ’60s Chrysler:  
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@Flying Pancake  
I don’t believe FCA is going to downsize the Challenger and Charger or do away with their V8s. They know size and power are what their customers like. If FCA lengthens the Giulia chassis and makes it very rigid but lighter than the old Mercedes platform, that could shave a few hundred pounds off the weights of the Challenger and Charger, which would only be an improvement.
 
@Flying Pancake  
The reason Dodge can’t offer AWD with a V-8 is that it doesn’t leave room for the ZF transmission. I’d take the old six speed in the Charger police package.
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@kleptomage  
So it’s a packaging issue? I’d always just assumed that the AWD version dragged down fleet fuel economy numbers too much to justify itself, but that makes more sense.
 
It’s really too bad they won’t sell the pursuit specials to civilians; they’re way cheaper than regular R/Ts and I’d much rather have the column shift and heavy duty interior. It’s not like they’re particularly dangerous or anything.
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@Flying Pancake  
That’s what I’ve read. Apparently there simply isn’t space for all the parts. Maybe that will change with the next platform.
 
Well, you can buy used Charger pursuit specials. It’s just that cops use their cars hard and Dodge does not exactly have the greatest reputation for reliability to begin with. A new Charger you can get a good warranty on. I’m not so sure about used.
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@kleptomage  
Yeah, and aside from potentially being thrashed with no warranty, ex-police Chargers usually don’t have interior rear door handles, so you lose some practicality unless you want to replace the whole door panel.
 
Still, they’d probably be cheap, and owning one would give you an excuse to endlessly quote the “cop motor, cop brakes” scene from Blues Brothers.
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@kleptomage  
egh, I’ve been worrying about what Fiat is gonna do to the V8 sedans ever since they became partners in 2011. Maybe Fiat will put some amazing new transmission/engine pair and turn the next Hellcat series into an amazing powerhouse?! I’m hoping they do something with that V8 Durango as well as the 300 SRT. Us Americans will always think “no replacement for displacement”
 
What you say about the Challenger, I agree with. I love the car, and I think it is a true sportscar. I’d happily pay for one if I had the money D: way cooler than the other, less practical sport cars!
 
@Flying Pancake  
I’ve been in a police Charger, they are pretty cool. (the driver seat, of course) With my interests, I think having no door handles would be lots of fun, like a good party trick
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@RainbowDash69  
One thing I like about FCA is that they make vehicles nobody else would. What other company would think to build a Jeep with a Hellcat engine?
 
The Challenger is a brute force machine in the long tradition of muscle cars. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but a true sports car is about more than raw power.
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@kleptomage  
Yep, that’s why so many people hate the Challenger. they expect more, but we forget what a pure muscle car is, sometimes.
 
Hellcat Jeep? is that a thing for real? I remember seeing a Hemi Wrangler, but that was an aftermarket engine swap
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You may be in luck; they’re going to make a Grand Cherokee version called the “Trackhawk,” and it’s generally expected to be Hellcat powered. And unlike the one-off Trailcat, the Trackhawk will be an actual production model.
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It’ll be interesting to see whether the Trackhawk can beat the Hellcat 0-60. The Hellcat is so monstrously powerful it has trouble applying all that force via the rear tires and the Trackhawk will have power to all four wheels.
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@kleptomage  
I’d think a coupe would be faster than the crossover/SUV but perhaps AWD will truly shine in this situation!
 
I feel like FCA is now doing so many off-road options (Jeep models as well as Ram Rebel and Power Wagon). Looks like GM only has the Colorado offload package that could ever compete. Shall be an interesting few years to see what off-road enthusiasts think of these new offerings.
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@kleptomage  
Looking at the 392 powered cars:
 
Charger: 4.1-4.2 seconds  
Challenger: 4.3 seconds  
Grand Cherokee: 4.5 seconds
 
I’m guessing the difference comes down to aerodynamics and the GC’s extra weight. Would the Hellcat motor be enough to overcome that and close the gap?
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@Flying Pancake  
The Charger looks the most aerodynamic of the three . I would predict that the Grand Cherokee launches easier but is overtaken by the Charger Hellcat. In any case, The Trailhawk should be the fastest SUV on earth and man that is a weird sentence to type.
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@kleptomage  
Well, it’ll be probably be the second fastest SUV; the Tesla Model X will do 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. But I’d take the Jeep over that thing any day.
 
I wonder if the Trackhawk’s top speed will be over 200?
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@Flying Pancake  
I doubt it, they probably will put an electronic limiter on it!
 
@kleptomage  
it is hard to beat the Tesla with that title, though electric motors are kinda cheating! I think the Porsche Cayenne might be hard to beat as well. perhaps if Jeep drops all the luxury features, they’d be faster
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@kleptomage  
I was thinking the same thing, but the Jeep Grand Cherokee is the same size as the Cayenne and Bentayga, isn’t it?
 
also, the Bentley is so amazing and luxurious, I’d still rather the Tesla for the doors!
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