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Absol95

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Alright, here’s a real life example:
On some websites whose names will remain undisclosed, there are some people who advocate for Nazism. Genocide, white supremacy, all that. There are other people who will tell them to “fuck off.” That’s when the bot kicks in and bans the other person for swearing.
How does that make any sense? It’s a system based on the language being used when saying something, rather than what’s actually being said, and therefore is a platform that is open to breeding hatred.
(Perhaps kind of an extreme example, but you get the idea.)
 
Well, Hatred is a part of being human, like it or not. Same for love. You can’t have one without the other! If you think ““hate speech”” laws are primarily meant to keep people safe from harm, you are wrong. Such rules, especially the laws that are on government dockets, are there to gradually and steadily chip away at free speech.
Absol95

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…You have no idea what “freedom of speech” means, do you?
 
Free speech doesn’t apply just to things you like; it also protects speech and expresion you don’t like NO MATTER how much of a fit and/or or moral outcry you throw. Talking about topics such as Nazism and ethnic nationalism=/=murder or theft. Such people, like everyone else, should only be punished if they actually have been proven to commit stuff that are crimes, such as rape, murder, theft and other such actual crimes.
Absol95

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@Absol95
No, freedom of speech means you can criticize the government without fear of being prosecuted.
 
Yes, and it doesn’t just apply to political or economic speech. True, you can have consequences of some kind for outwardly speaking it, but that doesn’t give those those who disagree with your views free reign to go all “SAY SHIT GET HIT!” violent towards you. In addition, regardless of whatever consequences there may be, getting locked up for saying less than sympathetic or reverent things about specific groups of people is not just.
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@Absol95  
Dude, Spaceman is talking about people supporting genocide and white supremacy and the people calling them out getting banned. You’re trying to make it sound like the group was just talking about the ideas of the Nazi party, not supporting them and hyping up racism and murder. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequence or to make people scared of their safety because a group is supporting an idea that puts them in harms way because they aren’t white. Freedom requires laws and punishments that fit the crime to work, since otherwise it will be abused and used to harm others, just like any other freedom.
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RIIIIIIIIIIIGHHT… as if I am the go-to arch-type for people that get too sensitive over everything. Though I can understand why you think that when I went on and on with many things involving Disney in another thread. 😒😒
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@Absol95  
More so that I see those who view themselves as special and not a “sheep” like others to be the most sensitive when it comes to anyone even suggesting that an aspect of any of their views to be incorrect or mislead.
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@Absol95  
I think there’s a difference between saying “fuck I want to kill this guy for smashing my window !” And “1488 race war now rhodesians never die”  
You know, just saying
Absol95

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According to Absol, opposing them is going against freedom of speech.
 
No I don’t. You can oppose them, but not hunt them down like fugitivesfor frivolous and highly biased reasons. If private companies and web domains want to put certain restrictions on what they can tolerate on their spaces, thats fine for the most part. But governments shouldn’t have such power to lock people up simply for having “problematic ideologies”. If they actually do commit murder or rape or theft or lie under oath, then yes, prosecute them like anyone else.
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According to Absol, opposing them is going against freedom of speech.
No I don’t. You can oppose them, but not hunt them down like fugitivesfor frivolous and highly biased reasons. If private companies and web domains want to put certain restrictions on what they can tolerate on their spaces, thats fine for the most part. But governments shouldn’t have such power to lock people up simply for having “problematic ideologies”. If they actually do commit murder or rape or theft or lie under oath, then yes, prosecute them like anyone else.
 
That’s what literally everyone was saying. If someone decides to strongly support nazism, and they get yelled at/harassed by people who disagree/lose their job over their beliefs, then that’s just the consequences of deciding to strongly support nazism…
Absol95

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According to Absol, opposing them is going against freedom of speech.
No I don’t. You can oppose them, but not hunt them down like fugitivesfor frivolous and highly biased reasons. If private companies and web domains want to put certain restrictions on what they can tolerate on their spaces, thats fine for the most part. But governments shouldn’t have such power to lock people up simply for having “problematic ideologies”. If they actually do commit murder or rape or theft or lie under oath, then yes, prosecute them like anyone else.
That’s what literally everyone was saying. If someone decides to strongly support nazism, and they get yelled at/harassed by people who disagree/lose their job over their beliefs, then that’s just the consequences of deciding to strongly support nazism…
 
Oh, so its okay to lose your job or get physically attacked just for wrongthink just because of your beliefs if the establishment hates it, eh? Yeah, right. Sounds a lot like the bullshit laws that Sweden, Belgium contemporary Germany, Romania, Austria, and France have and have had for decades because “we want to be tolerant”. You don’t have any obligation to agree with people you don’t like. And people should be tried as individuals, NOT as a collective whole, regardless of what ideology they have when they do get put in court. Its innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around!
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Just here to say: The discussion appears to be tiptoeing into politics territory. So if people wish to continue talking under that subject, please take it to the appropriate thread.
 
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There should be some level of social punishment for people who honestly advocate for the murder and genocide of entire peoples.
 
Not government intervention, but I certainly wouldn’t shed a tear if said fuckwit never works another day in his life, can’t get accepted into college, and gets ostracized from social gatherings.
 
That cant be enforced or regulated, but I think it should be encouraged by the citizenry.
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