The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things)

@Background Pony #9599  
It went down yesterday, but now it’s back up. (damn.)
 
My guess, they were probably trying to purged all their PMs and incriminating stuff forgetting several have archived, but it’s the stuff they can’t let come to light that’s probably worrying them.

@Cyborg_pony  
Ironic

@The Frowning Pony  
I perfectly understand your view and why with a study like this you will trust it. Anyone with presented a correlation will find a cause and effect, vaccine and autism, global warming and diesel cars, attacking GMOs, politics and economy, suicides and goth culture, satanism and heavy metal, hentai and pedophilia, homeopathy/placebo and health, gun control and crime rate, or the evidences of WMDs in iraq or a thousand of conspiracy theories.  
all can be put on a study and if you look for a result, you will find a correlation.  
This is why being skeptic about every info or thing given without understanding the context is the best approach.  
Like opinions, surveys, statistics on a group given.
 
Do you personally play violent games? What do you think these are doing on your behavior? have you seen any remarks? Do you know people who play games and become violent?
 
here, the bias is that something “science says” is more or less the argument of authority. 80’qs we had climate alarmists, Certified scientific consensus we’d enter in a global freeze phase by the 2000s. observation is different.

@Patachu  
Why are you trying to say things that aren’t in the study, or any study?
 
It’s been established time and time again that playing violent video games does not lead to violent behavior, but it does lead to temporarily more violence-related social responses immediately following playing them; ie. comments or insults related to violence.
 
The same is almost certainly true of games with sexual content: they don’t lead to sexist behavior, but they’ll almost certainly lead to a temporary increase in sexist social responses. That’s just how brains work; if you’ve been staring at tits for 2h, chances are immediately after you’re still going to be thinking of things (from compliments to insults) related to tits.
 
I’m not sure where you see in the study or in my comments that sexual content leads to actual sexism or violent media leads to chronic violent behavior. The world isn’t black and white, and I tire of “if you don’t agree with me then you are stating the complete exact opposite of what I say”.

@The Frowning Pony  
«temporarily more violence-related social response» Yes, that’s exactly what it is, when you are on a fighting game, or say, on a rugby match, you do fight your adversary. You literally rush on them, and when the match is over, what happens? You shake the hands with your opponent!  
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That’s exactly what gamers do, it’s not even a personal attack when you yell on the mic of some online shootan gaem with some players who are mad lads, even racism or antisemitism, or things you’ll never say on another context.  
That’s the very point of gaming, for a moment you incarnate a character, and this is all a part of the play, when done, I quits shouting jihadic nasheeds and go bake some cookies or draw something cute. By analogy, many forums on the internet are like this, this is the case for 4chan or any place with anonymity, in a world crippled by political correctness, where you smile all the time, have to be nice, which is logical, everyone need a fictional place to be different and express openly. That does not makes anyone a bad person unlike the infidels who perpetrated this study claims. Some will find it ridiculous, some will call it hatespeech, other will be like “wew based mad lad” but really, no one using any of that «temporary violence» or rather «fictional violence in gaming context» will be actual thugs.  
Actual violent people don’t play videogames, or don’t play rugby or any sport of combat. they lurk on the streets needing for their fix, to punch or rape any potential and easy victim. That’s the huge difference.

@The Frowning Pony  
Bullcrap. Sexual content does not lead to sexism. Now please, stop regurgitating that SJW lie.

@Penguin Dragneel  
Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Because it really seems like you do.

@Patachu  
Thing is, we don’t really know if these people that act out online really believe what they say or not. Anyone claiming otherwise is generalising too much. Sure, you might be able to learn enough about a person to make that judgement, but you can’t extend that to everyone. That’s why I don’t buy the ‘these people are horrible, so let’s silence them’ bit. If you want to stop certain types of speech, regardless of who is saying it, then that’s a different story. But all too often it becomes about the person speaking, not the speech itself.
 
If this view seems contradictory to my support of GamerGate, let me explain: an industry of SJW hacks is a bad thing, but I’m not going to oppose them purely for thinking differently. I oppose them because they’re bad at their jobs, and the mailing list implies that they’re working together, which is a whole different type of evidence than claiming that people who say nazi things are nazis.

@WyrmSpawN  

 
The same way how mainstream anime has affected me throughout the years. It’s not about porn games itself, but more on how the market flows.
 
Basically, it’s supply and demand. Think the entirety of the anime market as a single cake. There is no more than that one cake. The cake might grow in size and is comprised of many different flavors, but it’s still one whole cake.
 
Let’s say there are two genres; A and B, the latter is the one I consume. With the increase of demand for A, so would the supply. This shifts the companies’ focus to produce more of A, which due to limited supply, reduces the supply of B. After all, a company can’t produce both A and B. That’s a waste of resources and can have large costs.
 
So in the end, there is less cake of genre B for me while more cake of genre A for others. This is why the anime market is flooded with boring stale isekais and sexy harem not-pornographies.

@Scrabbleman  
Shocker. How’d that work out?

@Cyborg_pony  
Well, the movie made $195M in revenue, which is about 65% of the break-even point. So I’d say, not that good. Especially the fact that Sonic The Hedgehog broke even in 5 days despite being released a week later in February.

@Scrabbleman  
That explains why it flopped.

@The Frowning Pony  
No, I don’t. I’m calling you out for regurgitating lies.

@Penguin Dragneel  
What lies?

@The Frowning Pony  
Sexual content leading to sexism, which is bulls***.

@Penguin Dragneel  
And where did I, or anyone, say that?

@The Frowning Pony  

@Penguin Dragneel  
Yes?
 
That isn’t some SJW shit, that’s basic psychology. If you spend a few hours baking cakes, your responses immediately afterward are going to be biased toward cake and baking thoughts, be they jokes about something being sweet or an increased distaste to things sticking to your fingers because of dough. That doesn’t make you a “cakeist” or whatever the hell.
 
It’s really basic and I’m shocked that it’s controversial: if you play a game with heavy sexual content, immediately afterwards your jokes, insults, and thoughts and general are going to be influenced by that sexual content. It’s the same thing that’s been proven with violent games, and it wears off rapidly.
 
That doesn’t mean they make you sexist or violent, no one has said that here except you, and it’s frankly tiring how eager you and others are to be offended and angry over things that don’t exist and aren’t happening.

@Penguin Dragneel & @The Frowning Pony  
It’s not just psychological, it’s also physiological. The whole endocrine system is engaged in by that stuff, and it doesn’t take long for your various ‘-oid’ receptors to get satiated and saturated.

@The Frowning Pony  
Except it will be used to justify censorship.

@The Frowning Pony
 
 
@Derpy Whooves
 
(pops in despite the fact that I really should know better by now)
 
Actually I’m gonna have to agree with these guys this time. Regardless of intent or results, the study CAN be interpreted and misused in the way they’re describing.
 
(pops back out)

@RadioDemon  
No it isn’t
 
Neither the article or Derpy or TFP are saying it will lead to censorship or be used to justify it.

@RadioDemon  
@Jarkes  
Let’s reeee at scientists that show evidence that climate change is real because it might be used to justify shutting down the theme park industry.

@The Frowning Pony
 
And THAT’S why I should know better by now than to pop into this thread to give my two cents.