Religion general

TommyWiseau

@Grieffon  
That fun random thought would actually be true. Religion is like a fandom. You got all sorts of people both good and bad. People discussing certain things and getting into fights over their beliefs and what not. Also, Bible fanfics, not surprised something like that exist, especially the ones with that certain rule.
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@Background Pony  
Singling out anything as the worst invention in human history is like singling out the best, there is too much to sift through to actually make that judgement.
 
While I am one of those who believes that faith does far more harm than good, as a concept it is no more insane or evil the thought of subscribing to individual economic or political theories is evil. The problem arises in the excuses religion allows people to make for their actions and the damage that adhering to the individual ideas of a particular faith does to the individual and society.
TommyWiseau

@uc9  
Don’t forget other things like genocides, school shootings, and idiotic fans.
 
@gasmaskangel  
True to that. There is too much to sift through. Sure one guy believes religion is the worst thing in humanity but another other guy thinks the worst thing in humanity is an ethnic group while another thinks the worst thing to fall upon us all is a political or economic theory. I may understand what Background Pony #04AB is saying (especially considering the bad things that can come from religion) but even its as you and some others would say: the problem comes from the excuses made by religious groups who would seek to do malice upon others simply because the group itself thinks they are “holy” or that the other groups are “demons from Hell”.
uc9
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@TommyWiseau  
Genocides are far worse, cause if you combine all the shit like the great leap forward, the soviet union’s decades of shit they did and other genocides that weren’t due to religion the total number of genocides due to religion doesn’t even compare.
 
Sure plenty of people have died due to religious genocides, but if you do the math the total number of deaths in genocides that the perpetrator wasn’t religiously motivated(What I mean by this is the group doing it may or may not have been religious, but they weren’t doing it cause they were religiously motivated. So like ethnic cleansing and such.) the total number of dead due to that pushes almost to the 200 million mark.
 
Genocides in the world exist NOT cause of religion, but because people are bastards.
TommyWiseau

@uc9  
Yeah, humanity is filled with such awful people so I do have to ask this: Would the individual terrible humans such as Hitler and Pol Pot to terrible groups of humans such as the KKK be the worst thing within humanity?
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@uc9  
@TommyWiseau  
Here is the terrible truth of human nature, I guarantee you that some SS officer at Auschwitz had the equivalent of a mug that said “world’s best dad!” on it.
 
The horrible truth of human nature is that while there may be individual complete and utter shit heels like Hitler, Stalin, Dahmer, the people who own cable companies, ect. by and large the worst crimes are committed by people who you really might like if you met them socially. I’m of the opinion that the blood, brutality and horror that fills human history is motivated not by people being bastards, but by ignorance, by lies and by the mentality of “you gotta do what you gotta do.”
 
It comes from people wanting a purpose, wanting to feel safe and wanting simple answers to complex questions. “We have shit luck” goes down a lot harder than “the jews, communists and gypsies fucked us.”
 
I also think its kind of pointless to compare atrocities to find out which is worst. Each and every one is visceral nightmare on a scale most of us can’t imagine, each one is a terror so absolute it beggars the imagination.
 
The key to peace is not an ideology, a leader or anything dramatic like that, the key to peace is recognizing that you really don’t have anything against others, and that you have no desire to see harm come to them. This is not a pacifistic idea either, when there is someone legitimately perpetrating evil, which is here defined as causing unnecessary pain to people who have done them no harm, then it is fully appropriate for us to respond in such a way as to render them no longer a threat to humanity.
 
To put it in a personal statement, while I may dislike religion I would never advocate it being banned, nor would I advocate that believers be oppressed or censored and if they were my ideals would force me to stand with them.
uc9
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@gasmaskangel  
You sir deserve a applause.
 
Well since we Godwin’s law this thread; a lot of the people in germany didn’t know shit about what was actually being done and it took parading them past the concentration camps for them and show them the bodies for them to realize what had been done cause they genuinely believed they were doing the right thing. No single genocidal madman, except vlad the impaler, ever wants for the masses to not be ignorant of their wrong doings and they actively work towards keeping people ignorant of what is actually happening with lies and whitewashing.
 
It’s why I have to massively agree on you about peace because if the road to hell is filled with good intentions then the belief that deliberately harming others being the “right thing to do” is the rocket fuel to go there at ludicrous speed.
 
The problem is that as a species we still hold the belief that any action is justifiable even if it means harming others. Hitler even had a museum ready that was to be called, “Museum of a dead race”.
 
 
If anyone here is like this image below you’ve made some BAD decisions in life:  
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To use a analogy there’s a massive difference between having to choose between saving a baby about to get run over by a truck or a person about to get their head taken off by a chainsaw and then there’s someone going out and deliberately hitting someone with a truck then chopping off a person’s head then claiming it was “for the greater good”, but unfortunately too many assholes don’t see the difference.
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@uc9  
Ronald Reagan said the nine scariest words in the english language are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” Like everything Reagan said, this is only a half truth (though I will save that rant for another thread), as while those are words than any right thinking person should run from, I argue that the scariest words in any language are “for the greater good.” Anyone who says that has some scary fucking shit up their sleeve.
uc9
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@uc9
Ronald Reagan said the nine scariest words in the english language are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” Like everything Reagan said, this is only a half truth (though I will save that rant for another thread), as while those are words than any right thinking person should run from, I argue that the scariest words in any language are “for the greater good.” Anyone who says that has some scary fucking shit up their sleeve.
 
You just gave me goosebumps, and yes those are terrifying words.
uc9
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Hey I just realized something actually important religion wise: Most people have faith fundamentally bassackwards.
 
 
What I mean by this is I’m going to have to go a little bit into what I was thinking about in the first place.
 
I was thinking on the topic of non-materialism, it’s super important to me personally, and I gave away even more of what little stuff I have(I had originally only one box of personal belongings excluding computer and clothes, but now I only have half a box). To me I’d rather have nothing and enjoy life through conquering my desire for wealth than to work constantly to the point I am one of those people that die from overworking. If all you do is work all the time and spend money to try to conquer your desire for wealth that’s not going to leave you happy in the end; it’s just going to leave you feeling unsatisfied like a person that ate a tub full of cheetos. As soon as your stomach is done digesting the cheetos you’re going to be hungry again.
 
Which leads me to faith; people constantly work to try to prove they have faith, spend insane amounts of their life trying to earn enough faith to prove themselves, but those are empty carbs like cheetos cause if you are going, “I want to prove to god/s that I am worthy” that’s not going to equate to “I have faith in the god/s”. What’s worse is the people that view faith like a video game powerup where if you score high enough faith points you somehow get a powerup; those are empty carbs. What I mean by this is that there’s a massive difference between pretending to have faith to get a video game style powerup and actually having faith.
 
 
Tl:dr; There’s a difference between having a sirloin steak for dinner and having cheetos for dinner. Cheetos may taste good, but would you really want to substitute your all your regular meals with just cheetos?
 
 
No I don’t a tub of cheetos, don’t ask for them.  
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You sir deserve a applause.
Well since we Godwin’s law this thread; a lot of the people in germany didn’t know shit about what was actually being done and it took parading them past the concentration camps for them and show them the bodies for them to realize what had been done cause they genuinely believed they were doing the right thing. No single genocidal madman, except vlad the impaler, ever wants for the masses to not be ignorant of their wrong doings and they actively work towards keeping people ignorant of what is actually happening with lies and whitewashing.
It’s why I have to massively agree on you about peace because if the road to hell is filled with good intentions then the belief that deliberately harming others being the “right thing to do” is the rocket fuel to go there at ludicrous speed.
The problem is that as a species we still hold the belief that any action is justifiable even if it means harming others. Hitler even had a museum ready that was to be called, “Museum of a dead race”.
If anyone here is like this image below you’ve made some BAD decisions in life:
full
To use a analogy there’s a massive difference between having to choose between saving a baby about to get run over by a truck or a person about to get their head taken off by a chainsaw and then there’s someone going out and deliberately hitting someone with a truck then chopping off a person’s head then claiming it was “for the greater good”, but unfortunately too many assholes don’t see the difference.
 
Seek Utopia!
uc9
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Here’s a stupid question:  
Why do the big three care so much about adherent numbers? I know why hinduism cares, that’s mainly cause of some societal crisis issue bullshit that india is dealing with I won’t go into, but why do the other big religions care so much?
 
If a religion only cares about keeping their numbers up then you already know what’s driving people away. So yeah, why care if only caring about your numbers is what’s causing the decline in the first place? It’s counter-productive; it’d be like me smashing my window with a bat to prevent someone else from smashing it with a bat.
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@uc9
 
As far as I know Judaism doesn’t really care about their numbers, insofar as they’re not about evangelizing and gaining new adherents.
 
I’d wager that Christian’s and Muslim’s, since they believe that they’re “saving” you, they probably count numbers to keep track of how many souls they’re “winning”. Honestly it’s a case of “stop helping me!” if that’s whats going on.
uc9
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@Zincy  
I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be pissed off in a decade or so due to growth rates of the smaller religions being massive.
 
To use the usa as a example, I know the usa isn’t the world I’m just using it as a example cause I don’t have every country’s religious growth statistics in front of me at this moment, but people who identify as “nones”(or individuals who are classified as not religious, but not atheist and don’t identify as agnostic, but would still be interested in religion) are massively on the rise. The thing is though these “nones” almost always get lumped in with agnostics; however by doing so our understanding of growth of new religions isn’t complete.
 
When they say there’s nearly seven hundred million agnostics what they really mean is, “Hey studying this other group is too difficult so we’re just going to lump them with you guys”.
 
The immediate problem with this is historically whenever a new religion makes a splash the immediate question of how did they get so big so quick is responded with, “ . . . uhhhhh”
 
The thing is though if you break it down worldwide if you separate “nones” from agnostics and atheists then they’re the third biggest group behind christians and muslims. Why is this important? Cause I have to disagree with atheists on the topic of “nones” the reason being is that for one they’re not atheist nor agnostic, rather they’re individuals who may be interested in joining a religion and may potentially join one. In other words if a new kid on the block shows up chances are a lot of them will join.
 
 
What am I getting at? We currently have the perfect conditions for a smaller religion to become a big religion in a big way. The questions are how long until it happens, who is it going to be and how large is it going to get? Chances are a metric fuckton of people are going to get pissed off if/when one of the smaller religions becomes one of the big boys so get your foldable chairs, your popcorn and your 3d glasses ready cause chances are some time in the future everyone is going to get mad up in this joint and the drama will be like it’s coming right at you.
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@uc9
 
I think one of the biggest things is that religion is in constant flux. No one expected a little eastern religion from the desert to topple the Roman pantheon. By that metric, Christianity and Islam aren’t insurmountable. Their dominance can wane, no matter how secure their position appears to be.
 
They’ve built this air of invincibility around themselves, and it could end up being the down-fall of them as world leaders in faith.
 
What bugs me something awful is when you’ve got the “champions of religious freedom” being the ones damaging it the most. The same guys who will shout “mah freedoms” the moment something stands in even minor opposition to their world view, will then turn around and wield the legislative hammer to smack the “little guys” they see as threats. It’s that attitude that I think will hurt them the most in the long run.
uc9
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@Zincy  
*edit  
You know what; that’s too long and I’ve already covered this.
 
 
Short version is I agree cause the past two decades of religious growth when you factor in population growth definitely points to someone else is going to dynamic entry onto the scene and be the next big thing.
 
The only question is who will be the next big thing? Any bets?  
My money is on either a new religion, a neo-religion, or a religion that was already one that could connect with modern individuals.
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@uc9
 
For a while it’s going to be some derivative on Christianity, I’m betting on a more deistic approach to Christianity along the lines of Jefferson’s way of thinking.
 
 
New Age and Neo-Pagan may be some of the fastest growing rate wise, but our numbers are still too small. Buddhism maybe, Hinduism is too niche to spread very far…
 
What you’re seeing is the rise of the “unaffiliated”, and it’s going to become a bigger bloc. More people are going to go down the “spiritual but not religious” or “god without the Church” routes.
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