Ereiam 
Monde de merde
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> [@Ereiam](/forums/generals/topics/tartarus?post_id=5245343#post_5245343)
> I see virtually nothing inherently wrong with adopting that philosophy (and FYI, if one were to be completely consistent in following what you believe is that of the "centrist" line of thought, they would be saying "perhaps those folks on [insert side of political spectrum, here] may not be quite as bad” for both the right _and_ the left).
That's the thing (and that's why I mentioned the Overton window, which tends to frame the right more favorably): they don't.
We saw it with folks like Sargon, Peterson and the like that they're more likely to become mouthpieces for alt-right talking points than the other way around.
Not to mention idiots like Atlas_66 above who claim to be centrists and unironically support Putin and his atrocities.
[@Atlas\_66](/forums/generals/topics/tartarus?post_id=5245464#post_5245464)
By the way, everyone knew what was happening in Donbass [since the Russians made their first military play in the region back in 2014](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War) following the annexion of Crimea (we all remember [when one of their own artillery batteries shot down an airliner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17) and they tried to pin the blame on Ukraine — and, despite all of their "alternative interpretations of the facts" having been debunked, they still deny to this day any responsibility of their own, because of course).
The Minsk agreements were meant to stop the fighting, but Putin never ceased to trample all over their spirit, if not their letter, by providing the pro-Russian separatist rebellion with arms and "volunteers" and then blaming the subsequent ceasefire violations on Ukraine while maintaining paper-thin deniability for his own involvement.
Eventually, seeing his shadow war was growing stale after nearly eight years while still failing to bear fruit, he decided to throw caution to the wind and go for a full-scale military invasion on the flimsy DARVO pretext of "protecting the civilian population" (lol).
So yeah, don't pretend there's a Western media blackout on Donbass when the military of your own country has made it impossible for foreign journalists to do their job there without the risk of getting killed (also, your government — the same one you're defending out of short-sighted spite — is the one threatening to imprison its own people on treason charges for either speaking against or merely factually reporting about the war, not ours, so don't come telling us).
> [@Ereiam](/forums/generals/topics/tartarus?post_id=5245343#post_5245343)
> I see virtually nothing inherently wrong with adopting that philosophy (and FYI, if one were to be completely consistent in following what you believe is that of the "centrist" line of thought, they would be saying "perhaps those folks on [insert side of political spectrum, here] may not be quite as bad” for both the right _and_ the left).
That's the thing (and that's why I mentioned the Overton window, which tends to frame the right more favorably): they don't.
We saw it with folks like Sargon, Peterson and the like that they're more likely to become mouthpieces for alt-right talking points than the other way around.
Not to mention idiots like Atlas_66 above who claim to be centrists and unironically support Putin and his atrocities.
[@Atlas\_66](/forums/generals/topics/tartarus?post_id=5245464#post_5245464)
By the way, everyone knew what was happening in Donbass [since the Russians made their first military play in the region back in 2014](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War) following the annexion of Crimea (we all remember [when one of their own artillery batteries shot down an airliner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17) and they tried to pin the blame on Ukraine — and, despite all of their "alternative interpretations of the facts" having been debunked, they still deny to this day any responsibility of their own, because of course).
The Minsk agreements were meant to stop the fighting, but Putin never ceased to trample all over their spirit, if not their letter, by providing the pro-Russian separatist rebellion with arms and "volunteers" and then blaming the subsequent ceasefire violations on Ukraine while maintaining paper-thin deniability for his own involvement.
Eventually, seeing his shadow war was growing stale after nearly eight years while still failing to bear fruit, he decided to throw caution to the wind and go for a full-scale military invasion on the flimsy DARVO pretext of "protecting the civilian population" (lol).
So yeah, don't pretend there's a Western media blackout on Donbass when the military of your own country has made it impossible for foreign journalists to do their job there without the risk of getting killed (also, your government — the same one you're defending out of short-sighted spite — is the one threatening to imprison its own people on treason charges for either speaking against or merely factually reporting about the war, not ours, so don't come telling us).