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You really think Jeff Bezos spends his trillions well? Hardly, he chose to build a new head quarters somewhere by forcing a bunch of jurisdictions to fight over it with tax breaks. The head quarters cost only a few millions. Jeff is worth 129 billion, he can build the Versailles of headquarters a million times over.
 
No joke, one of his conditions to moving an Amazon headquarters to New York was a helipad. New Yorker’s tax money would have to give the literal richest man in history a helipad just so he might deign to operate there.
 
I wonder how far you or I and anyone reading this would get if they demanded a helipad before they could be bothered to move their labor somewhere?
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Sanders’ rivals have long argued the Vermont senator has promoted an agenda that doesn’t reflect the larger population. In a recent documentary former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who defeated Sanders in a bitter 2016 primary to become the Democratic nominee, described him as a “career politician” who had no support.
“Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done,” she reportedly said in the film.
However, the USA TODAY/Ipsos poll found 39% of voters said Sanders “shares my values,” compared to 30% each for Buttigieg and Biden, 31% for Warren, 28% for Bloomberg and 31% for Trump.
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You really think Jeff Bezos spends his trillions well? Hardly, he chose to build a new head quarters somewhere by forcing a bunch of jurisdictions to fight over it with tax breaks. The head quarters cost only a few millions. Jeff is worth 129 billion, he can build the Versailles of headquarters a million times over.
No joke, one of his conditions to moving an Amazon headquarters to New York was a helipad. New Yorker’s tax money would have to give the literal richest man in history a helipad just so he might deign to operate there.
I wonder how far you or I and anyone reading this would get if they demanded a helipad before they could be bothered to move their labor somewhere?
 
I just want trains bro. I want a return to the old operable network of local and regional mass transit so I don’t need to drive to the same three places I ever am at least: work 1, work 2, and home. This driving shit is weak, I ain’t free. But a trolley out there so I can hitch a ride, shit post as I go and not listen to the same four stations pretending to be a hundred.
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I fail how to see that saying that socialism/communism leads to the eventual boot on the head is a strawman.
Because you’re working off of a very weak premise. There is no individual freedom-collective authortarianism dichotomy. Let me explain before I have to go to bed:
At the very basic premise socialism and Communism under Marx moves to critique liberal capitalist policies by pointing out the immense power privately holding the economic means of production is to society.
 
you know, all the criticism of capitalism is fine and it definitely has to be improved, but reading this makes me wonder, just how much of Marxist economic theory is Bullshit? when this part of the premise here is so deeply flawed. It sounds good, because it’s made to sound good and soothing to the ears, until you stop to really think about it and start criticizing it.
 
Businesses as rotten as they can get and we know this, we’ve had this drilled into our heads if you recall, they are still needed and they made themselves A Business in the first place. The people outside of that business, who were not involved with any of it, haven’t worked under it, they had nothing to do with its success in any direct shape or form that would warrant the state seizing all its production assets. The reason this is important is because for that business to succeed, a fine business without any murky past, or illegal activities, or immoral actions, that business is responsible for its own success and the jobs it created. So, why should the state be seizing that kind of power, just outright, as the default and by that kind of power, I mean, ALL OF IT? Just because it says that it’s for the people, you mean like any other company says the same thing and is lying through their teeth, just like any dictator to be would, which has already happened, under socialism?  
Also, if any of those other factors are involved to have a corrupt / immoral business, then we’re having a completely different conversation then and one even this magical socialism won’t solve all by itself either.
 
That is being morally bankrupt imo as far as I’m used to the state being in power and deciding for its people what is right and what is wrong and honestly, the more that I think about it, it sounds an awful lot like vying for a modern-day form of feudalism and if it’s not exactly one because the intent is different for why these very similar actions are taken, the problem with how easily corruptible socialism is makes it still feudalism, with nice intentions attached to it and with the PS attached to it, “pls no dictator”, or Lord/s in this case for my example.
 
The only problem I see going on here and what needs sorting, is one of power that people need to be in better positions to negotiate better incomes, because the problem under capitalism today of the USA isn’t one of, ‘The state doesn’t Get All the means of production’, it’s more that, ‘a vast discrepancy of between incomes’, which hasn’t stopped living/spending prices from going up higher and that is a problem of the baby boombers’ generation, as I’ve come to understand these economic issues.
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@toxicitzi  
Karl Marx’s economic theory is definitely not bullshit because 1. It’s a theory and science-fields have buttloads of them, 2. It’s written and still studied by professionals of said field and 3. It’s not supposed to be the fucking opposite of capitalism.
 
We know socialist countries exist. Europe has a handful of them and the ones I know have a higher quality of life than the US.
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@AaronMk  
It’s about commodity production at its core tbh  
If you want to get really deep it’s also about the division of labour
 
@Scrabbleman  
Lol the European countries are not socialist(if they are, then I’m not a socialist)  
Also Marx wrote Das Kapital so as to critique capitalism and to show that capitalism has to be overthrown(to be it simply)  
Not to reform it
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@Commune  
I said it wasn’t completely bullshit. It was just partially bullshit, especially that last bit. Even Karl Marx makes mistakes and “overthrowing capitalism” is one of them. It’s idiotic as it is, like saying you want to put 15 pounds of shit in a 10 pound bag.
 
Also, you’re far from most socialists I know. I don’t even see you as one.
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@Commune
I said it wasn’t completely bullshit. It was just partially bullshit, especially that last bit. Even Karl Marx makes mistakes and “overthrowing capitalism” is one of them. It’s idiotic as it is, like saying you want to put 15 pounds of shit in a 10 pound bag.
Also, you’re far from most socialists I know. I don’t even see you as one.
 
You’re describing social democracy. The mediation between capitalist demands and public good via a moral society take. Not abolishing capitalism as a whole to resolve the contradictions between owner and non-owners.
 
Meanwhile, @toxicitzi basically relies on the claim the divine right of Kings is eternal. It isn’t. And neither is the liberal rights of capital. Neither were or are eternal and rely on the structures they establish to benefit off of.
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Just finished talking to a woman who kept thinking that big corporations love regulations and that small businesses are harmed by it.
 
Asked about her sources and she linked to questionable entities like the Heritage Foundation and an article of Ted Cruz pretending to care for minorities, as well as opinion columnist who thinks that Right-to-Work laws are good.
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Thank you Koch brothers, very cool. Playing the Rockefeller game of talking about how large companies can broaden their monopolies by knocking over practices everyone hates anyways because that makes a 1-2 punch of good public image AND clearing barriers for even more aggressive monopolistic growth.
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@AaronMk  
Are you attacking me or the source? Are you really going to say that bad regulation doesn’t exist? And that big corporations are not willing to abuse it to reduce their competition?
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Big companies probably like the kind of regulations that are easier for big companies to comply with than little ones due to economies of scale.
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Ever since he was on the campaign trail prior to the 2016 election, Trump has used bigoted, racist, and inflammatory language when talking about Muslims, immigrants, and minorities in the U.S. The Post‘s analysis of 28,000 news stories since 2016 shows that the president’s words have been used by fellow students and staff members to mock, bully, or harass children at school more than 300 times. 75 percent of those attacks have been directed at Hispanic, black or Muslim kids. And those are just incidents that made the news. They don’t account for incidents of bullying and harassment that were never publicly reported, as we can assume many weren’t.
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“a group of middle-schoolers linked arms, imitating the president’s proposed border wall as they refused to let nonwhite students pass.”
 
Hopefully these idiots were suspended or expelled.
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