Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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What does my post have to do with the Confederacy? I’m glad the South lost that war BTW.
Though the UDC didn’t invent the Lost Cause ideology, they were deeply involved in spreading the myth, which simultaneously contends the Confederacy wasn’t fighting to keep black people enslaved while also suggesting slavery was pretty good for everyone involved. Lost Causers — plenty of whom exist today, their sheer numbers a reflection of the UDC’s effectiveness — argue that Confederate monuments are just innocent statues; that taking them down erases history; that we cannot retroactively apply today’s ideas about the morality of slavery to the past. The response to those ridiculous cop-outs is that Confederate monuments honor and glorify people who fought to maintain black chattel slavery; that they were erected for the explicit purpose of obfuscating history; and that the immorality of slavery was always understood by the enslaved. Excuses, excuses: get better at them.
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@Violet Rose in The Rain  
There is no Genocide going on though, at least not in the US. No one’s ordering the police to kill black people, and police brutality is not comparable to genocide, not to menion Police Brutality can be resolved through current systems, and is only escalated by violence. Rather or not There are Facists, you only radicalize them through violence, not remove them from power or to get them to stop being fascist, you’re only going to make yourself look like the bad guy. After all, this is a democracy, not a fascist regime, and I’d find it odd that the so-called “Fascist” president wants to reduce government power when Fascists are more about increasing it. Fascists, by definition, would not want to decrease government power.
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It seems to me that you are arguing about a different “effectiveness”. 2F82 is talking about the effectiveness of warfare or violence at maintaining the general welfare, whereas you are referring to the effectiveness of warfare or violence at exerting political control.  
appealing to morality
 
I’m not sure if anything 2F82 said can even qualify as an “appeal to morality”.
 
@Violet Rose in The Rain  
This is highly disingenuous. Much of the violence being committed right now is against businesses and people who have nothing to do with “fascism” or “genocide”. Unless, of course, you’re saying the ends justify the means, and I can set fire to an apartment building if I have reasonable belief my sacrifice will appease the gods and bring about world piece.
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And now this is becoming an international incident. For the same reason it became a national incident to begin with!
And I think this was the same event when police tear gassed crowds so Trump could have his photo op at a church.
 
Man, this will further skewed America’s already tarnished reputation.
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The problem is that everyone throws around political terms like so much loose confetti. What people mean by “the left” and “the right” is muddier than ever, and these latest happenings have brought that to the fore in a massive way.
 
Are Boogalooterians “far-right instigators” or “sympathetic pro-gun supporters of the protestors”?
 
Is Antifa “the ones instigating rioting and looting” or “instigating violent encounters with the police” or “marching in solidarity with BLM?”
 
Are there far-right provocateurs present and starting fires and/or fights?
 
I don’t know because depending on who I’m talking to, and what they’re saying, it could be all of the above, or none of the above, or everything in between. Hell, the position on whether property damage is justified or warranted is highly variable even within far-left circles.
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Provided that we survive whatever else 2020 throws at us, how will this year be remembered down the line?
 
Because Jesus fuck this year is a massive test of our will.
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“He used violent means to ask to be escorted across the park into the courtyard of the church,” Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington tells NPR’s Morning Edition. “He held up his Bible after speaking [an] inflammatory militarized approach to the wounds of our nation.”
“He did not pray,” the bishop continued.
“He did not offer a word of balm or condolence to those who are grieving. He did not seek to unify the country, but rather he used our symbols and our sacred space as a way to reinforce a message that is antithetical to everything that the person of Jesus, whom we follow, and the gospel texts that we strive to emulate … represent.”
Every president since James Madison has visited St. John’s Church, which opened in 1816 and sits across the park from the White House. Despite that longstanding relationship, Budde says her diocese had no warning of Monday’s visit.
“There was no reaching out, no sense that it would require some sort of authorization before using the church as a backdrop in that way,” Budde told NPR’s Tom Gjelten hours after the incident.
 
Yep that’s right. Not only were clergymen not informed of the President’s incoming stunt but they were also among the crowd getting dispersed with tear gas and rubber bullets. Ball’s in your court evangelicals!
 
Oh and later in the article there’s another video of the Australian news team from before the last vid. It shows them sitting off to the side before being assaulted again (well, for the first time), up to and including being struck with a baton and shot with rubber bullets as they were fleeing.
 
And finally, supposedly this entire stunt was done off the cuff because Trump is angry people are calling him a coward and “Bunker Boy”. So he wanted to show up in public to show what a brave little tough guy he was.
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9/11 2: freedom restrictions boogaloo. Or at the very least when all the policies implemented after 9/11 in order to ‘fight’ Islamic extremism and ‘protect us’ come home to roost big time. The most egregious part is that the politicians who implemented and championed such policies will never be punished for putting us in the shit like they have; and is why I’m sympathetic to the burn it down and start again assertion I hear from certain quarters.
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As trump said, he’s only going to send them in if the governers and majors don’t get it under control, which they don’t so far, and by that point there would be no other choice. It’s either they put down the rioters and looters(You know, the ones ruining people’s lives and NOT the peaceful protestors) or let the rioters and looters keep killing people and ruining their lives.
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