Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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@NitroFury
Because there are idiots among us who only care about the fetus until it’s born. They can justify it by claiming the doctors are murders, but that’s still anti-life. Never underestimate people who think they are in the right and won’t even humor the idea of being in the wrong.
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Next week on Wednesday (May 11), the EU Commission will present an EU draft law on mandatory chat control to the public for the first time. Similar to Apple’s highly controversial “SpyPhone” plans, the Commission wants to oblige all providers of email, chat and messaging services to search for suspicious messages in a fully automated way and forward them to the police in the fight against “child pornography”. This will require them to monitor and scan the communications of citizens en masse – even if they are still securely encrypted end-to-end so far.
MEP and civil rights activist Dr. Patrick Breyer (Pirate Party) comments:
“This spying attack on our private messages and photos by error-prone algorithms is a giant step towards a Chinese-style surveillance state. Will the next step be for the post office to open and scan all letters? Organized child porn rings don’t use email or messenger services, but darknet forums. With its plans to break secure encryption, the EU Commission is putting the overall security of our private communications and public networks, trade secrets and state secrets at risk to please short-term surveillance desires. Opening the door to foreign intelligence services and hackers is completely irresponsible. To stop chat control, the net community must go to the barricades as!”
In March, 35 organisations worldwide, including the German Lawyers Association, Digitale Gesellschaft, and the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), had warned against the EU’s chat control law.
In an expert opinion, a former ECJ judge pointed out last year that the warrantless interception of private communications violates the case law of the European Court of Justice. According to a poll 72% of citizens oppose the indiscriminate scanning of their private communications. The German government coalition agreement states on the topic on chat control: “We reject measures to scan private communications.”
Sources are in the link to Breyer’s page on the matter.
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Cut the guy some slack. His colleagues want to illegalize his marriage.
The man tried to undermine our system of government for his wife, and his party wants to throw his marriage under the bus as thanks.
Calbeck
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The opinion defends Loving v. Virginia, which you would know if you had read it.
I have.
Here. Educate yourself.
TL;DR (since most people can’t be arsed): there are exactly two mentions of Loving v. Virginia in the entire decision. Neither disparage Loving (nor any of the other cases also mentioned alongside it). Dobbs points out something far more important: that neither Loving nor any of the other cases used to support Roe or Casey “involved what is distinctive about abortion: its effect on what Roe termed “potential life”.
No one dies as a result of racial intermarriage, or gay marriage, or in any of the other cited cases. Trying to claim that this decision is an attempt to roll back unrelated cases is ignorant at best, disingenous at worst.
KharnZeBetrayer

@NitroFury
Same principle behind how society tends to treat murderers, eye for an eye and all that. Most people would be threatening violence if someone was going around euthanizing 6 year olds at the whim of a parent. Just an extension of that in the anti-abortion mindset.
Not arguing for the position just stating the idea behind it.
KharnZeBetrayer

@Calbeck
Thank you. There are a lot of people just picking up hot takes as fact instead of actually doing analysis themselves.
I will admit a 90 page legal opinion brief can be a lot for some people but it doesn’t excuse spouting incorrect information if you haven’t done your own homework.
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@KharnZeBetrayer
I have a very long history of debunking conspiracy nuttery going back to the era of “Mayan Astronauts” all the way through “Bush Did 9/11” and so forth.
It’s just a habit of mine at this point to find and read source material, rather than pick up and repeat someone else’s third-hand rumors like so many people unfortunately do. Most folks would be shocked at how often even professional journalists phone it in.
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@NitroFury
prolly the same reason pro-choice people are threatening Supreme Court Justices
hotheaded psychos who’ve convinced themselves they’re saving lives
as usual with such types on the Extreme Left and Extreme Right alike
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@YourPalContrail
Well considering I’m not a US constitutional law expert, I can only point to those that are.
The tl;dr: being that the argumentation for overturning Roe v. Wade, that abortion isn’t listed in any amendments, can be extended to apply to any number of personal freedoms that the supreme court has made judgements on, using this new “opinion” as the stringboard to reverse them.
Does the “draft opinion” immediately re-illegalize interracial or gay marriage (or contraceptives or any number of other things conservatives hate)? No; does it provide an argument, a precedent one might say, for their derogation in the future? Yes.
Background Pony #2B3E
Cough. Well, this might sound a bit harsh, but: People would probably listen to you more if most of your posts about EU Internet policy didn’t always have a certain “The government wants to kill ma Internet!” undertone.
Basically, I can understand your anxiety towards the EU policy. Most politicians in the EU are generally uneducated, uninformed and in general not really arrived in the 21st century. In the worst case, they are also influenced by certain lobby groups. BUT: The EU is not an oppressive state like China. It is not even a state as such. It is a huge, bloated and frighteningly ineffective organization, but it also suffers from the fundamental problem that the wrong goals are often pursued here for the right reasons.
I had a conversation with a neighbor who is a policeman. We both came to the conclusion that even if the EU decides something at some point, it does not mean that it can be implemented immediately 1:1 by the respective member states. Or ever will. Often, for example, law enforcement lacks the appropriate financial resources and/or appropriately trained personnel.
Will say: Please, posts gladly always everything whatever you want. I don’t want to get involved in that at all. But maybe in the future you should try to raise your concern in a slightly different (more calm and thoughtful) way. ;-)
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Well that’s different. I’m by no means a legal expert either. If I understand you right your saying that the arguments used in the draft are poor and could be used against other 14th ammendment cases, correct? I haven’t read the draft so you very well could be correct. However reading Dustcans quote “His colleagues want to illegalize his marriage. The man tried to undermine our system of government for his wife, and his party wants to throw his marriage under the bus as thanks” seems to imply the court has a desire to do so, which I find difficult to believe they do. can we agree on that purely on a Hanlon’s razor level that it’s unlikely they would overturn it if they had that chance?
Calbeck
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@YourPalContrail
“abortion isn’t listed in any amendments”… is a point that was brought up in Roe to begin with. The decision in Roe agreed that in order for abortion to be a Constitutionally-protected right, there must be found a connection to an actual Constitutional right.
At the same time, as noted in Dobbs, Roe agreed that States have the authority to defend “potential life” - a term invented by Roe. But Roe‘s examples of OTHER implied rights - such as the right to racial intermarriage - do not in any way hinge on the question of life and death. Dobbs states that this is the fatal flaw in Roe, and also in Casey (which upheld Roe while simultaneously ejecting most of Roe’s arguments without explaining why or replacing them with any different rationale).
Finally, Dobbs explicitly clarifies that because of this specific point, the decision to overturn Roe and Casey has zero effect on any other cases mentioned in either Roe or Casey - because those cases were cited erroneously to begin with.
TL;DR: Roe and Casey were in error: Loving v. Virginia was not; you can stop panicking now.
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@YourPalContrail
No, we can’t. Elements of “his party” (ie. the GOP) are on the record for wanting to remove constitutional protections for interracial marriage and revert it to a “state matter”. Which, regardless of any limp-wristed “but actually I think it’s fine” statements, is always code for “it should be illegal and I’ll be sure it is in my state”.
KharnZeBetrayer

@The Smiling Pony
Things like Loving can and do fall under fairly close interpretation of other amendments like the 14th so I don’t believe this opinion really sets an argument against by merit of marriage having federal level impacts regarding things like taxes. Also as stated in the opinion other cases do not have the same moral implications around deciding whether or not a life continues which is a lot for SCOTUS to decide upon when there is little constitutional or federal weight in it.
Roe’s issue arises from requiring a loose interpretation of an already loose interpretation to arrive at “doctor’s decide” as a matter of privacy despite there being other restrictions on doctor’s decisions for other matters.
It was bad law based on shaky ground for a SCOTUS decision.
It is something (in my opinion) that should definitely be taken up by legislative means if we want it protected federally.
It’s always been a very hot issue and I believe it being relegated back to states where adjustments can be made for the local population is a better option in addition to it being much easier for people to influence change within their states than influence on a federal level where competing differences are more extreme and at odds with one another.
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A sitting Senator, Mike Braun. Who thus has the power to craft laws about the subject.
As for Loving’s relationship with Roe, it’s a daisy chain of precedence. Effectively, Roe was settled on the basis of privacy; the actual abortion aspect of the ruling was incidental. And several other cases used that basis of privacy for their rulings, like Loving v Virginia. So if Roe is struck down, it’s basically saying the precedence of right to privacy is wrong, which opens the door for all cases ruled on that condition.
Since Loving was also ruled more or less on privacy and Roe being cited as precedence for that ruling, plus the fact that Loving was also brought up apropos to nothing in the draft, it raises the prospect that yes Loving is being eyed at towards a future revisiting.
Calbeck
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@Dustcan
And as pointed out in the recent Dobbs decision we are now discussing, there is no actual precedent from Loving that pertains to Roe. The ruling is that Roe cited Loving erroneously, not that Loving itself is in error in any way. There are zero challenges to 14th Amendment rights to be found in Dobbs.
So no, Roe has not been overturned on the privacy issue. It was overturned on the fact that neither Loving nor any of the other cases cited in support of Roe had anything to do with preservation of life, which is a right of the States that Roe itself considered central to the matter. I did point it out twice already that Dobbs takes note of this, but you seem to have missed it.
Also, “the fact that Loving was also brought up apropos to nothing in the draft” suggests you haven’t actually read the draft. I have. It was brought up twice, both times in relation to a host of other citations that Roe erroneously relied on, wherein the draft then explains how Roe erred in doing so. Neither time was Loving singled out or disparaged in any way. Which is common to ANY review at law of a given judicial decision.
BTW: Judges usually throw out cases where a litigant says that a core issue is only “more or less” relevant. You’re pointing up why Roe failed to meet legal scrutiny.
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