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Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

IWTCIEM
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That’s because the USA has always been on the wrong side of history ever since its founding. The Founding Fathers, most of who owned slaves, defined violent hate speech and owning guns rights, but not healthcare, maternity leave and education.
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Pretty sure those weren’t a thing when the USA was formed. Education was, but there would be no reason for them to think it would be treated as a bad thing in the future.
CaptainXtra

PUNCH A FASCIST!
I keep seeing doomers post on twitter that Dems in safe blue states have already bent the knee to whatever the Supreme Court issues in the future.
Are they correct or just being over dramatic?
IWTCIEM
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  • Had slavery for 89 years
  • Had segregation and lynching for more than 100 years
  • Committed mass genocide against Native Americans
  • Blew up one of its own warships to justify a war of aggression against Spain
  • Propped up and funded Hitler and his Nazis prior to 1941 and being partially responsible for WW2 in Europe and the Holocaust
  • Placed Japanese Americans in internment camps
  • Dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
  • Waged genocidal wars of aggression in Vietnam and the Middle East
  • Refused to adopt the metric system
  • Elected George W. Bush
  • Refused to ratify the Kyōto Protocol
  • Elected Donald Trump
  • Allowed COVID to run rampant and spread across the rest of the world
  • Allowed mass/school shootings to keep happening
  • US police continued to kill African Americans and other POC
  • Overturned Roe v. Wade
The list keeps going.
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@IWTCIEM
I think you fail to realize how absolutely fucked the vast majority of the rest of the world was during all those different events, and how the term “always” is absolute.
By such a grossly broad misuse of the phrase, absolutely no community of over 3 people on the entire planet over its entire history could be considered to not have been “on the wrong side of history”.
This sort of histrionic exaggeration and dramatic overreaction does absolutely nothing other than allow people to disregard you and what you stand for as nonsense, and have those that actually agree with you in principle to despair as your antics push everyone that was coming over the fence well onto the other side.
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@IWTCIEM
I’d guess because no one wants to risk going to war against the strongest military force on earth maybe?
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308th mass shooting of the year.
And we’re only on day 185.
And it barely breaks the news…because mass shootings in America isn’t news.
Meanwhile Denmark just had its first mass shooting in 7 years and it breaks international news. Because mass shootings anywhere except America is news.
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@Meanlucario
Are we conveniently forgetting how the USA invaded the Middle East and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, while at the same time giving rise to a new wave of terrorist groups like ISIS which have only prolonged the slaughtering? And while we’re at it, we should also mention how the USA has tried to influence right-wing factions of the UK government into dissolving their NHS, or how the USA put the rest of the world in danger by refusing to act on climate change and spreading anti-vax misinformation?
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@IWTCIEM
Every nation in history has their crippling flaws, including your beloved EU. You are even more willing to forgive Nazi Germany over the USA because “they advanced science enough.” You are so delusional by your hated that you make me want to defend this country, one I’m very critical about.
CaptainXtra

PUNCH A FASCIST!
I keep seeing doomers post on twitter that Dems in safe blue states have already bent the knee to whatever the Supreme Court issues in the future.
Are they correct or just being over dramatic?
Look people, if the Dems in power are dragging their feet then you need to either remind them why you voted and protest or seek to replace them with people that will actually do shit.
Don’t stop fighting!
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the UK
Remember how they invaded and enslaved a good chunk of the world? Where’s your raging hateboner for that, hmm? If the US having slavery for a mere 89 years is so unforgivable, then surely the UK’s centuries of conquest must make it and everyone living here a blight upon the Earth even to this day.
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@Meanlucario
You’re completely missing the point here. Yes, what Nazi Germany did was atrocious beyond a shadow of a doubt, but the reason I’m not as harsh on Germans as I am on the Americans because the former actually made efforts to denounce that terrible part of their history and educate their current generations into not making the same mistakes. The USA, on the other hand, has only continued to become worse and worse each decade and commits the same atrocities again and again.
And as for the UK, they, along with the rest of Europe, abolished slavery a full 60 years before the US did.
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@Meanlucario
I’m saying that saying that something needs to exist before it can be a thing in history.
You can argue that according to this definition, fascism did exist before 20th century, but that definition means that basically entirety of human history is fascism. Hell, even communism is fascism according to this definition:
  • Communists wanted to get power,
  • They did not tolerate other parties nor a certain class (bourgeousie),
  • They were ruthless, used deceit and violence.
Do you now see why this definition is not useful?
fascism emerges as any result to stifle the mobilization of worker movements to secure the state
That definition is too broad. Not every opposition to communism/state socialism is fascism. Social democracy is not fascism. Anarchism is not fascism. Conservatism (in its actual meaning, not American meaning) is not fascism[1].
Eco’s points still fall into much the same problem
I don’t think so. Eco is right that fascism does not need all of the traits he described. He doesn’t say that a single trait is enough to identify fascism, only that one is enough to allow other traits to grow around it, potentially eventually leading to fascism. I’d say that fascism requires a majority of these traits. If it only has few of them, it’s not fascism. It might be proto-fascism, quasi-fascism, but it’s not fascism.

[1]
Fascism is explicitly opposed to conservatism, even though it tries to draw in conservatists through syncretism and fetish-like appeals to tradition. And conservatism is opposed to fascism, as fascism requires change, action and submission of institutions to the Leader, while conservatism resists change and tries to preserve traditional structures.
BTW syncretism can result in really silly situations, such as fascists or quasi-fascists using socialist symbols - just look at what Putin is doing.
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Somehow Omnipresent?
And conservatism is opposed to fascism, as fascism requires change, action and submission of institutions to the Leader, while conservatism resists change and tries to preserve traditional structures.
That’s some wild shit you’re smoking.
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