Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

@CaptainXtra  
1969 II: Electric Boogaloo.

I support people who protect their businesses with guns. Lots of guns.

@CaptainXtra  

 
I can’t stress enough how important this is fellas.
 
We don’t want another Burning of Alexandria.

@The Smiling Pony  
Oof.

@CaptainXtra
 
Couldn’t they settle for not including copyrighted material?

@Dustcan  
In the eyes of big businesses and governments, all material is copyrighted material.

@Background Pony #2F82  
He “sent them in” to teargas peaceful protestors so Trump could get his picture taken in front of a church.
 

 
Ok, so you are referring to the peaceful protesters who were teargassed as looters and rioters. What did they loot? Where was the riot?
 
Do you also think Mariann Budde, the Episcopal Bishop of the Diocese of Washington DC should be “put down” too for objecting to the action?
 
I can’t believe you, of all people, are promoting violence to peaceful protestors or defending the Presidents abuse of force for a photo op.

@Derpy Whooves  
Not to mention an Australian news team got attack by Riot Police, which is now an international incident.

@Background Pony #FE3C  

 
I agree on this. Most people just shooting ammo to at each other. Protester hurt here, police officer hurt there. Not really viewing that both injustices happen and not going on in a vacuum.
 
@Background Pony #FE3C  
I believe that forces are fermenting division for there own goals and that the media has its own narratives but I don’t think it’s good to invest in a grand narrative as it is a too simplistic way to view the world and can make one invest in one single explanation stripped of nuance.
 
@NitroFury  
This is close to where I am at. Though I think in some places that it has gotten out of hand enough to send them in. I think we should be leery to cheer on invoking the insurrection act. Trump probably not going to handle it in a way that is stabilizing and calming and it usurps state’s authority.

@Derpy Whooves  

 
No, I don’t think he did.  

 

 

How are Mexican citizens reacting to America’s current crisis?

@Vultraz  
Look at what he was replying to. You can’t blame priests and clergy in Washington for actions taken by others in Manhatten.

I’ll reply to posts later, for now I’d just like to drop this link. For Trump to have that church photo-op today, riot police cleared off a peaceful crowd by force, and the church’s own clergy was among these targets of rubber bullets and tear gas. We’re way past the point of parody.

@CaptainXtra  
A lot of things will be lost if it goes down. Not just receipts or deleted news articles but culturally relevant works as well. Millions of websites and a large window into the “forgotten age” of pre social media 2000s. A lot of stuff that maybe even forgotten in living memory. I shutter to think if it does fail.
 
@Dustcan  
Well, I suppose one could draw a line at stuff like copyrighted music and lost media:  
https://archive.org/details/attentionkmartshoppers  
but even then you run into the problem that a lot of it still has cultural relevancy and maybe not being preserved at all outside of the internet archive in a somewhat organized fashion.
 
@OneMoreAnonymous  
I appreciate you replying to me in a civil manner and you honestly have more nuance to your views than I thought. It maybe a bit as there is a lot to unpack but I will get back to you. Last four quotes aren’t from me. I assume you were replying to somebody else and forgot to put the name there.

@doloresbridge  
The internet needs to take a stand to preserve the past.
 
I understand the current world crisis makes it harder to focus on but it’s what we need to do.

@Derpy Whooves  
Regardless of what he was replying to, given the qualification  

I’m guessing that 2F82’s intent is not that Trump should deploy the national guard or police forces to crack down on peaceful protestors, despite your sanctimonious accusation otherwise.

@Vultraz  
>>guessing
 
As opposed to reading what they actually said.
 
But more to your point, what does violence in Manhatten have to do with any of those clergy or the peaceful protesters by the church?

@CaptainXtra  
Most likely not rioting.

@Derpy Whooves  
I was being facetious by using the word “guessing”. What I really mean is that the text means what it reads, verbatim. Let me put it in bold:  

@Derpy Whooves  

My intent by supplying those link(s) (plural) demonstrating violence, theft, and vandalism across the US, including in DC, was to give emphasis to 2F82’s point that there are bad actors. My personal views on the matter are that there does not seem to have been any good justification for use of tear gas in the photo-op situation, and deployment of the Natl. Guard sets a bad precedent. Deployment is, unfortunately, politically favorable for Trump since in many places, the police are spending more time enforcing curfews against peaceful protestors than stopping actual theft (you can blame the state/city gvmts/the police themselves for that). If I were to offer an alternative, I would say to give people immunity for defending their own property with force, since the police don’t seem willing to actually help.

Rioter stole a puppy from a rescue yard, tormented it on live tv. Puppy was later found strangled to death and bounty has been placed on the suspect.  

@Background Pony #2F82  

 
Washington DC protesters? the ones being targeted being, the ones that weren’t rioting or looting? Aren’t those people protected under the Constitution’s first amendment?

 
Holy strawman, Batman. The long-disproved idea is the term “trickle down” which no one credible actually uses. It’s always a strawman against supply-side economics to make it sound bad. Also, back in Reagan’s day the proportion of money going into taxes did not decrease much at all, proving that this was once again just talk.  
As for what Trump did, nearly half of American taxpayers pays no federal income tax at all while the top 10% of income recipients pay over 70%. The middle class received a 1-4% cut in their federal income taxes. That’s not much but it’s a step in the right direction. The corporate income tax represents double taxation of profits, which are taxed again as dividends at the personal level. Most economists recognize that the corporate tax is a counterproductive tax that stifles economic growth and needs to be changed, if not abolished.
 
It is regulation itself that is corrupt because the regulators are invariably “captured” by the regulated industry. The result is that regulated industries gain protection from competition and government largess and bailouts at the expense of consumers. Thus regulation did not prevent Bernie Madoff’s scam or the financial crisis, nor does it protect the American consumers from skyrocketing health care costs. Even a moderate dose of regulatory relief will produce lower prices, more jobs, and economic growth.
 
Lastly, where did Trump cut social programs? I personally think it’s a failing he did not do so because America is going bankrupt and the deficit has only widened.
 
As for the decriminalization of homosexuality worldwide: https://www.washingtonblade.com/2019/09/24/trump-brings-up-global-initiative-to-decriminalize-homosexuality-at-u-n/  
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/politics/intelligence-sharing-lgbt-laws.html
 
There is a term people use called “Trump Derangement Syndrome” which is an unhealthy fixation on everything Trump does and nay-says his every move to avoid agreeing with him even once. People who suffer from this tend to be manipulated by media very easily; look at how quickly headlines across the world excoriated the church speech. The church speech was symbolically important because America is in a state of panic and needs reassurance, regardless of whether you like Trump or not.