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No, you criticize Christianity because you are coddled westerner with no immediate “true problems”.
Go to 3rd-world countries and christians will be generally less problematic than people of other faiths. Tho sometimes it is hard to see it, seeing that they are often murdered. (see central Africa)
 
He isn’t speaking of whether or not which group of people are more or less problematic, he’s speaking of which religious group uses their influence more often to negatively effect untold amounts of people and the fact of the matter is that its Christianity.
 
Decisions made over a hundred years ago still have an effect on today’s society, specifically the instability of Africa and the social unrest in America. People used Christianity to justify slavery and the persecution of Blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans.
 
They called Native Americans savages and forcefully tried to convert them to Christianity. The result? Their culture is lost to them and depression among their communities has historically always been huge.
 
Islam has similar problems but that’s only really inside specific Sects of Islam that are promoted by Saudi Arabia and Iran. Islam hasn’t historically really had as much of a global negative impact on people as Christianity did. They weren’t saints of course, but to say that they had as much of a footprint as Christians did would be a bold-faced lie.
 
You insult people on the thread and then when you’re put on the spot, you complain and refuse to address my points. Well, this time I’m being relatively non-aggressive in the fact that I’m not supposedly using “ad hominem” (even though I didn’t) and I didn’t stoop to your level of insulting people.
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Nnnot always the case.  
In El Salvador, Haiti, Jamaica, Colombia, Argentina, Brazil and christian majority african countries for example,
 
Due to their numbers alone, christians make more problems than other faiths–because it’s majority christian. As in. If a crime does happen, all else being equal, it’s more likely committed by a christian.
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Christianity doesn’t cause problems. People that claim to be Christians but misrepresent the teachings of Jesus do.
 
That may be true, but if you ended having these people believing the words who misrepresent Jesus’s teaching; they will eventually adopt those words. You know how to avoid making Christianity becoming more skewed, you kicked the misrepresentative ones out of Christianity.
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If that’s what they’re doing, they likely aren’t real Christians. Christianity is a relationship with Jesus Christ, not just giving yourself the label “Christian” and going to church on Sunday.
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christian majority african countries for example,
 
Dude, read about Christian presecution in cental Africa.  
Seriously, there is no year when even European media alarm about murders of christians there. Espescially where Christianity and Islam exist “together”, like Nigeria with its religious problems. (I am looking at you Boko Haram)  
Due to their numbers alone, christians make more problems than other faiths—because it’s majority christian. As in. If a crime does happen, all else being equal, it’s more likely committed by a christian.
 
Again, you assume that both Christianity and Islam are “equal”.  
Like if you get 10000 random christians and 10000 random muslims, then when you compare their crime rates, they are equal.  
Not to mention that you do not differentiate between “crime done because of religion” and “crime done despite of religion”.
 
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It is kind of disgusting when americans talk openly about “coups” they wanna do in other countries.
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If that’s what they’re doing, they likely aren’t real Christians. Christianity is a relationship with Jesus Christ, not just giving yourself the label “Christian” and going to church on Sunday.
I agree 100%. Just like how many of them LARP-er mujahideen regularly not pray salah, goes around clubbing getting wasted on alcohol, raping women / grooming kids but then are always going on and on and on about the Khilafa.
 
Religiously motivated terror attacks done by a larper non-practicing religious person should also not count as a crime done because of religion.
 
Most of the time they’re secular, political grivances coated with religiosity. Happens all the time.
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Then using that logic there is no religious crimes.  
After all, every religion claims to be “anti-violence”.  
As such, once religious person does a crime for “religious reason”, they loose their “religious status”.
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There is. For example if I, a practicing muslim, form a gang and patrol around the streets of UK at night being vigilantees and threatening prostitues and other ppl for drinking alcohol.
 
Which, allegedly, has happened.
 
Another is when a practicing muslim truly believes, either through misguidance or just bad interpretation, that they should kill a non muslim where they see it, and then they went ahead and killed a non-muslim.
 
That imo is religious crime, and it does happen.
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>getting support from centrists
 
You mean the very people who categorically led to Trump? The people who tried to please everyone with Obamacare but instead ended up pleasing no one? The people who replaced troops on the ground with drone-striking anyone and everyone they didn’t like, regardless of sovereignty or legality? The people who promised the most transparent executive in history, only to punish more whistleblowers than all previous executives combined?
 
These are the people who think Biden is good enough, and Pence would be a good replacement for Trump, because regardless of his policies, he would “at least bring honour and dignity back to the presidency!”
 
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You gotta admit that’s pretty funny, like that Trump Kingsman video by Geekzteam; and if you disagree you’re a Hamilton lib and probably think that Sorkin political dramas are the perfect model for both the American political and media establishments.
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They did that back during the christendom days, din’t they? I know nothing about catholic / protestant legal system against public defamation and misinformation regarding figures of the bible, the church, or the religion in general, but considering there’s a shit ton of memes regarding HERETICS (heck, the whole Warhammer 40k is a goddamn parody of the Church) I would assume they’ve done that before.  
As for Islam.
criticise
I’ll have you know that muslims themselves criticise each other’s interpretations and claims to legitimacy. Self criticism has been in the tradition.
say bad things
what’s the intention? a legitimate grievance or trolling? legitimate grievances would be discussed and investigated. We don’t believe in no freedom to say whatever with zero consequences (aka freedom of speech)  
As for atheists being killed by Saudi and ISIS killing cartoonists, Muslims hate that. Especially western muslims. Muslims owe no loyalty to the murderous Saudi nor ISIS, in general.
 
The general muslims aren’t bloodthisrty space marines out to put a bolter round between the eyes of a non-muslim. Literally the quran commands that if peace was an option, TAKE IT, it’s always the better option.
 
If governments and ppl in power want to flex how scary and powerful they are by subjugating dissidents and killing unbelievers, it’s on them.
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There are, for those who can afford it. And for those who can’t, there’s plenty of treatment anyway. That seems like a much better balance of pluses and minuses before we even get into “prevention is better than cure”.
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You mean the very people who categorically led to Trump? The people who tried to please everyone with Obamacare but instead ended up pleasing no one? The people who replaced troops on the ground with drone-striking anyone and everyone they didn’t like, regardless of sovereignty or legality? The people who promised the most transparent executive in history, only to punish more whistleblowers than all previous executives combined?
 
So basically Obama.
 
You gotta admit that’s pretty funny, like that Trump Kingsman video by Geekzteam; and if you disagree you’re a Hamilton lib and probably think that Sorkin political dramas are the perfect model for both the American political and media establishments.
 
Not really. That truck is is poor taste considering the current political climate, what with being only a couple years removed from Charlottesville and a few weeks from the police itself running over protesters.
 
Magpul’s out of left field crack does get a chuckle, ngl.
 
 
@igotnopicks
 
Specifically, he’s trying to sue Nevada over them expanding vote-by-mail.
 
You know what? I hope he does. Because 1) as always, the dumbass already gave up the goat in the very same tweet where he admits his grievance is purely partisanship, and 2) this was stated barely a week after he told Floridians to vote by mail. Hmm, I wonder for whatever reason this group is allowed to vote but this other isn’t?
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How the Pandemic Defeated America  
A virus has brought the world’s most powerful country to its knees.

 
An Atlantic article laying out how willfully unprepared America was to deal with a pandemic. It’s a long read, but here’s some highlights.
 
How did it come to this? A virus a thousand times smaller than a dust mote has humbled and humiliated the planet’s most powerful nation. America has failed to protect its people, leaving them with illness and financial ruin. It has lost its status as a global leader. It has careened between inaction and ineptitude. The breadth and magnitude of its errors are difficult, in the moment, to truly fathom.
In the first half of 2020, SARS‑CoV‑2—the new coronavirus behind the disease COVID‑19—infected 10 million people around the world and killed about half a million. But few countries have been as severely hit as the United States, which has just 4 percent of the world’s population but a quarter of its confirmed COVID‑19 cases and deaths. These numbers are estimates. The actual toll, though undoubtedly higher, is unknown, because the richest country in the world still lacks sufficient testing to accurately count its sick citizens.
Despite ample warning, the U.S. squandered every possible opportunity to control the coronavirus. And despite its considerable advantages—immense resources, biomedical might, scientific expertise—it floundered. While countries as different as South Korea, Thailand, Iceland, Slovakia, and Australia acted decisively to bend the curve of infections downward, the U.S. achieved merely a plateau in the spring, which changed to an appalling upward slope in the summer. “The U.S. fundamentally failed in ways that were worse than I ever could have imagined,” Julia Marcus, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at Harvard Medical School, told me.
Since the pandemic began, I have spoken with more than 100 experts in a variety of fields. I’ve learned that almost everything that went wrong with America’s response to the pandemic was predictable and preventable. A sluggish response by a government denuded of expertise allowed the coronavirus to gain a foothold. Chronic underfunding of public health neutered the nation’s ability to prevent the pathogen’s spread. A bloated, inefficient health-care system left hospitals ill-prepared for the ensuing wave of sickness. Racist policies that have endured since the days of colonization and slavery left Indigenous and Black Americans especially vulnerable to COVID‑19. The decades-long process of shredding the nation’s social safety net forced millions of essential workers in low-paying jobs to risk their life for their livelihood. The same social-media platforms that sowed partisanship and misinformation during the 2014 Ebola outbreak in Africa and the 2016 U.S. election became vectors for conspiracy theories during the 2020 pandemic.
The U.S. has little excuse for its inattention. In recent decades, epidemics of SARS, MERS, Ebola, H1N1 flu, Zika, and monkeypox showed the havoc that new and reemergent pathogens could wreak. Health experts, business leaders, and even middle schoolers ran simulated exercises to game out the spread of new diseases. In 2018, I wrote an article for The Atlantic arguing that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic, and sounded warnings about the fragility of the nation’s health-care system and the slow process of creating a vaccine. But the COVID‑19 debacle has also touched—and implicated—nearly every other facet of American society: its shortsighted leadership, its disregard for expertise, its racial inequities, its social-media culture, and its fealty to a dangerous strain of individualism.
 
Despite its epochal effects, COVID‑19 is merely a harbinger of worse plagues to come. The U.S. cannot prepare for these inevitable crises if it returns to normal, as many of its people ache to do. Normal led to this. Normal was a world ever more prone to a pandemic but ever less ready for one. To avert another catastrophe, the U.S. needs to grapple with all the ways normal failed us. It needs a full accounting of every recent misstep and foundational sin, every unattended weakness and unheeded warning, every festering wound and reopened scar.
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The United States has correctly castigated China for its duplicity and the WHO for its laxity—but the U.S. has also failed the international community. Under President Donald Trump, the U.S. has withdrawn from several international partnerships and antagonized its allies. It has a seat on the WHO’s executive board, but left that position empty for more than two years, only filling it this May, when the pandemic was in full swing. Since 2017, Trump has pulled more than 30 staffers out of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s office in China, who could have warned about the spreading coronavirus. Last July, he defunded an American epidemiologist embedded within China’s CDC. America First was America oblivious.
Even after warnings reached the U.S., they fell on the wrong ears. Since before his election, Trump has cavalierly dismissed expertise and evidence. He filled his administration with inexperienced newcomers, while depicting career civil servants as part of a “deep state.” In 2018, he dismantled an office that had been assembled specifically to prepare for nascent pandemics. American intelligence agencies warned about the coronavirus threat in January, but Trump habitually disregards intelligence briefings. The secretary of health and human services, Alex Azar, offered similar counsel, and was twice ignored.
 
Travel bans make intuitive sense, because travel obviously enables the spread of a virus. But in practice, travel bans are woefully inefficient at restricting either travel or viruses. They prompt people to seek indirect routes via third-party countries, or to deliberately hide their symptoms. They are often porous: Trump’s included numerous exceptions, and allowed tens of thousands of people to enter from China. Ironically, they create travel: When Trump later announced a ban on flights from continental Europe, a surge of travelers packed America’s airports in a rush to beat the incoming restrictions. Travel bans may sometimes work for remote island nations, but in general they can only delay the spread of an epidemic—not stop it. And they can create a harmful false confidence, so countries “rely on bans to the exclusion of the things they actually need to do—testing, tracing, building up the health system,” says Thomas Bollyky, a global-health expert at the Council on Foreign Relations. “That sounds an awful lot like what happened in the U.S.”
This was predictable. A president who is fixated on an ineffectual border wall, and has portrayed asylum seekers as vectors of disease, was always going to reach for travel bans as a first resort. And Americans who bought into his rhetoric of xenophobia and isolationism were going to be especially susceptible to thinking that simple entry controls were a panacea.
 
The CDC developed and distributed its own diagnostic tests in late January. These proved useless because of a faulty chemical component. Tests were in such short supply, and the criteria for getting them were so laughably stringent, that by the end of February, tens of thousands of Americans had likely been infected but only hundreds had been tested. The official data were so clearly wrong that The Atlantic developed its own volunteer-led initiative—the COVID Tracking Project—to count cases.
Diagnostic tests are easy to make, so the U.S. failing to create one seemed inconceivable. Worse, it had no Plan B. Private labs were strangled by FDA bureaucracy. Meanwhile, Sabeti’s lab developed a diagnostic test in mid-January and sent it to colleagues in Nigeria, Sierra Leone, and Senegal. “We had working diagnostics in those countries well before we did in any U.S. states,” she told me.
It’s hard to overstate how thoroughly the testing debacle incapacitated the U.S. People with debilitating symptoms couldn’t find out what was wrong with them. Health officials couldn’t cut off chains of transmission by identifying people who were sick and asking them to isolate themselves.
 
At the end of the 20th century, public-health improvements meant that Americans were living an average of 30 years longer than they were at the start of it. Maternal mortality had fallen by 99 percent; infant mortality by 90 percent. Fortified foods all but eliminated rickets and goiters. Vaccines eradicated smallpox and polio, and brought measles, diphtheria, and rubella to heel. These measures, coupled with antibiotics and better sanitation, curbed infectious diseases to such a degree that some scientists predicted they would soon pass into history. But instead, these achievements brought complacency. “As public health did its job, it became a target” of budget cuts, says Lori Freeman, the CEO of the National Association of County and City Health Officials.
Today, the U.S. spends just 2.5 percent of its gigantic health-care budget on public health. Underfunded health departments were already struggling to deal with opioid addiction, climbing obesity rates, contaminated water, and easily preventable diseases. Last year saw the most measles cases since 1992. In 2018, the U.S. had 115,000 cases of syphilis and 580,000 cases of gonorrhea—numbers not seen in almost three decades. It has 1.7 million cases of chlamydia, the highest number ever recorded.
Since the last recession, in 2009, chronically strapped local health departments have lost 55,000 jobs—a quarter of their workforce. When COVID‑19 arrived, the economic downturn forced overstretched departments to furlough more employees. When states needed battalions of public-health workers to find infected people and trace their contacts, they had to hire and train people from scratch. In May, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan asserted that his state would soon have enough people to trace 10,000 contacts every day. Last year, as Ebola tore through the Democratic Republic of Congo—a country with a quarter of Maryland’s wealth and an active war zone—local health workers and the WHO traced twice as many people.
 
Compared with the average wealthy nation, America spends nearly twice as much of its national wealth on health care, about a quarter of which is wasted on inefficient care, unnecessary treatments, and administrative chicanery. The U.S. gets little bang for its exorbitant buck. It has the lowest life-expectancy rate of comparable countries, the highest rates of chronic disease, and the fewest doctors per person. This profit-driven system has scant incentive to invest in spare beds, stockpiled supplies, peacetime drills, and layered contingency plans—the essence of pandemic preparedness. America’s hospitals have been pruned and stretched by market forces to run close to full capacity, with little ability to adapt in a crisis.
 
American hospitals operate on a just-in-time economy. They acquire the goods they need in the moment through labyrinthine supply chains that wrap around the world in tangled lines, from countries with cheap labor to richer nations like the U.S. The lines are invisible until they snap. About half of the world’s face masks, for example, are made in China, some of them in Hubei province. When that region became the pandemic epicenter, the mask supply shriveled just as global demand spiked. The Trump administration turned to a larder of medical supplies called the Strategic National Stockpile, only to find that the 100 million respirators and masks that had been dispersed during the 2009 flu pandemic were never replaced. Just 13 million respirators were left.
In April, four in five frontline nurses said they didn’t have enough protective equipment. Some solicited donations from the public, or navigated a morass of back-alley deals and internet scams. Others fashioned their own surgical masks from bandannas and gowns from garbage bags. The supply of nasopharyngeal swabs that are used in every diagnostic test also ran low, because one of the largest manufacturers is based in Lombardy, Italy—initially the COVID‑19 capital of Europe. About 40 percent of critical-care drugs, including antibiotics and painkillers, became scarce because they depend on manufacturing lines that begin in China and India. Once a vaccine is ready, there might not be enough vials to put it in, because of the long-running global shortage of medical-grade glass—literally, a bottle-neck bottleneck.
The federal government could have mitigated those problems by buying supplies at economies of scale and distributing them according to need. Instead, in March, Trump told America’s governors to “try getting it yourselves.” As usual, health care was a matter of capitalism and connections. In New York, rich hospitals bought their way out of their protective-equipment shortfall, while neighbors in poorer, more diverse parts of the city rationed their supplies.
While the president prevaricated, Americans acted. Businesses sent their employees home. People practiced social distancing, even before Trump finally declared a national emergency on March 13, and before governors and mayors subsequently issued formal stay-at-home orders, or closed schools, shops, and restaurants. A study showed that the U.S. could have averted 36,000 COVID‑19 deaths if leaders had enacted social-distancing measures just a week earlier. But better late than never: By collectively reducing the spread of the virus, America flattened the curve. Ventilators didn’t run out, as they had in parts of Italy. Hospitals had time to add extra beds.
Social distancing worked. But the indiscriminate lockdown was necessary only because America’s leaders wasted months of prep time. Deploying this blunt policy instrument came at enormous cost. Unemployment rose to 14.7 percent, the highest level since record-keeping began, in 1948. More than 26 million people lost their jobs, a catastrophe in a country that—uniquely and absurdly—ties health care to employment. Some COVID‑19 survivors have been hit with seven-figure medical bills. In the middle of the greatest health and economic crises in generations, millions of Americans have found themselves disconnected from medical care and impoverished. They join the millions who have always lived that way.
 
Edit:Apparently there’s a limit to how much text you can put into a post? Well I don’t want to triple post so I’ll just leave the quotations at this amount. Needless to say the article contains a lot more detail and that there were far more highlights.
 
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