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@doloresbridge  
Huh. Tucker Carlson said that?
 
 
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I find it extremely unlikely that you do not take anything important as a rote beleif. But even granting that… what evidence do you have for a lack of systemic racism in America? Or is that just a base premise of yours?
 
 
@silbasa  
There’s a great deal the left can do to fix the problems of culture, family and community describe - which are mainly the creations of right-aligned forces. Your delibrate ignorance on this matter is part of the problem.
 
 
@Background Pony #697E  
And what of your unfounded assumption that George Floyd’s race played no part in Chauvin killing him? (Leaving aside the fact that it would still be murder if Floyd were white and Chauvin black, or any other combination.)
 
And I think systemic racism is as solid as smoking raising cancer risk, anyway.
 
 
@silbasa  
VCRs are cool. You know what was also cool about the 90s? You could have progressivism and diversity without a huge backlash (well, usually).
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@Wiimeiser  
They endorsed the uh, “movement”.
 
@Latecomer  
The left seems to break all these structures down, finding them problematic. What can the left in your opinion do here?
 
You could have that in the 90s. Sometimes we could even talk about topics without being called names. On rare occasions we even talked to the persons we were talking about! And we agreed to respect each other’s opinions! Without turning the world into the CCCP. Shocking by today’s standards.
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@silbasa  
Break down the oppressive machine warping the culture, rebuild trust between them and the state, help reconstruct communities on a more solid footing. Crime and disorder flourish where people have no investment in society.
 
And yes - but sadly things have become much more polarised and adversarial, and I suspect you and I would not agree on who to blame.
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@Latecomer  
What you say sounds reasonable. But what is the “oppressive machine warping the culture”?
 
Maybe it’s the nature of social media. Everyone got a megaphone and a right to be offended about everything. Is it the right? Are there more racism and nazis now than there were in the 90s? Was it 9/11 that ushered in this new era? Is it the left with SJWs and overboard activism? I can’t pin it down to a single factor. But nowadays it is downright awful.
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The left seems to break all these structures down, finding them problematic. What can the left in your opinion do here?
 
Those things evolve organically on their own along with the societal paradigm and the left is trying to help along with those changes, with more or less zeal or success (and yes, that means some do go too far — be they misguided or merely ahead of the curve).  
Historically, conservatives have served as a moderating influence for those changes, but all they seem to be interested in nowadays is trying to preserve at all costs an increasingly unstable status quo, if not making outright attempts at regression.
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@silbasa  
Racism is a large part of it, for minority communities at least. The forces of unrestrained capitalism play their part as well. And besides their direct effects, these create a malaise where the community loses all faith in getting anywhere by playing by the rules.
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@Ereiam  
Yes. Imo is all out of balance nowadays. It’s very hard to see what this future holds. It seems a set of restrictions placed on people, what they can and cannot do. Freedom seems to go down the drain for the sake of never offending anyone.
 
@Latecomer  
Yes racism is bad. Is capitalism unrestrained? Seems to be laws regulating it even in the US? Certainly standards of living can be improved. Healthcare etc. I believe that requires both parties to make considerable efforts however. To me it looks like all the blame goes one way now, and one party in this should just be excused for any responsibility.
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@silbasa  
Insufficient laws, and wrong attitudes leading to “market worship”.
 
And while both parties have their share of the blame, those shares are far from equal.
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Finance disclosures are showing that Matt Gaetz has been spending hundreds of thousands in ads to try to rehabilitate his image in light of the accusations of underage sex trafficking. He’s spending more to prop himself up than he spends campaigning.
 
Also notably is that he’s not getting any assistance from other Republicans. He’s fighting this on his own.
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@silbasa  
Capitalism is far from unrestrained. The political game has turned into one of posturing and propaganda. It’s why so many people don’t even realize the Western European countires they idolize are capitalists thenselves. It’s why people still try can claim Venezuela wasn’t socialist.
 
People on the right aren’t spared from it either. Opposing government regulation isn’t a bad thing, but opposing it without understanding it is bad. Yes, excess regulations are one of the main reasons California’s housing is so awful, but that doesn’t mean any regulation is the end of the world.
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@silbasa  
Freedoms and rights have limits, that’s how it is. That’s why I’m free of walking nude inside my house but not outside. your freedom ends where the freedoms of other begins. That’s how society works so we don’t kill each other.
 
Hell, in reality nobody is truly free, not as long we live in a society, there are always laws, traditions, rules, norms etc, etc, that says what we can do, say, think, eat, drink, wear, buy, sell and when and how to do it. If you want to be 100% free you have to go and live in an island without any other human being.
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@Ereiam  
In the future we here in Europe will also feel the strain of financing those safety nets. It’s not looking too bright for european welfare states.
 
@Latecomer  
We differ some there I suppose. I am however not closed off to good ideas that work. But they do need to actually work, not just be symbolic gestures.
 
@Background Pony #7CB4  
Indeed. Balance is needed imo. Too much regulation kills it and too little is awful for the people living there. California is an interesting case of decades under democrat rule. State seems to have many issues the dems can’t solve any better than the republicans can.
 
@Kolbjorn  
Of course. All freedoms have limits to them. But it is important to me not to limit people’s freedoms unnecessary and certain political stratas seem to be very convinced that is the right way to go because they in some way, shape or form feel something about someone they don’t like. So they go after fundamental democratic freedoms doing a ton of damage in the process. That will come back to bite them.
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