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@Hollowfox Jaeger
 
Not very much. Some of the users here do support China as an enemy of American imperialism or because it’s “communist”, but others still don’t like it for being more capitalist than socialist/communist in function.
 
Like others said, one user’s comments that were deleted were due to them not being explanations or simply short lines and insults.
 
I’m also wondering if there are any anarchists here.
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From my perspective the key similarity between Nazi Germany and Modern China is that everything allowed by the state is made to directly benefit the state. The state must be the supreme physical and moral authority to the people, above any other social, economic, and religious structure, including families.
 
That is antithetical to a true capitalist ideal where the individual has the right and ability to decide and enact what’s best for themself, rather than such being being dictated to them.
 
Authoritarian regimes like Nazi Germany and China fear independent, self-determinant people.
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The irony about China is once you look beyond the typical discourse you find out it’s like 23 different fiefdoms doing whatever meme shit they can get away with from die-hard Avakian Maoism to cocaine line doing Anarcho-Capitalism and Beijing running like an over-worked middle school teacher just trying to keep them all herded into a line. It’s v funny.
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@SolaristheBatto
 
Define true capitalism.
 
Because a 100% free market leads to implicit power concentration where the larger corporations gain power and control similar to a massive government.
 
I wouldn’t call pure capitalism the bastion of free determination and independence.
 
And I say this as a capitalist.
 
 
Pure ideology is the path to ruin, as everything needs a tempering opposite to keep it from running amok.
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So it’s more like a federation, and they are all pretending to obey Emperor Xi.
 
Beijing has historically been able to enforce power and discipline when it has to, but it’s also like, legitimately expensive in time and money to do it. And the Xi administration is trying to not be like the Jiang administration where they spend a lot of time building consensus before moving on something because both Xi and the Standing Politburo have deadlines they want to meet. So both have made the decision to bypass consensus building and just do rolling collateral against the petty municipal chiefs that do their thing on the basis they’ll fix it later once they pass the threshold from a second-rate manufacturing economy to a first-rate service economy like the US and Europe. They’ll be the first country to ever manage itself into the top tier of economic development, and with it its stability.
 
This of course doesn’t mean everything will flow in one direction since in regards to programs like Social Credit the government is more than willing to keep it in the hands of the local provinces and cities to opt in and out, as even private individuals it turns out can opt in and out. Because Beijing’s belief is that the regulatory tool that Social Credit (SoCS) ultimately is is in better hands when local provincial and city governments have it. This however means the entire thing ranges from one type of comedy to another. But it’s like, soon new Orwellian thing; China already has five pre-existing surveillance programs which I am sure like the US equivalents are not in communication with one another and probably engage in branch rivalry like the CIA and FBI and the NSA and sho on.
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@Zincy  
I never said true capitalism didn’t lead to ruin when put into practice, exactly as socialism would as well.
 
But all’s well on paper, nothing should keep you from selling the same services as those massive companies, not even, especially not, those very same companies. In other words, no copyright laws and use of force in self-defense, or hired or government assistance, when those companies try to leverage force against you to prevent you from offering those services.
 
Again, not tooting the anarcho-capitalist horn, just explaining my perspective.
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Anyone who complains about cancel culture needs to take a nice long introspective look about their creation of cancel culture in the aftermath of 9/11
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@Zincy  
I just hate how cancel culture is murdering my favorites over terrible stuff.
 
Also, didn’t you tell me sex is not dying?
 
@AaronMk  
I just hate how the pandemic made cancel culture a lot stronger since last year when Brendon Urie, Charli D’Amelio and ppcocaine got cancelled.
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@Zincy
I just hate how cancel culture is murdering my favorites over terrible stuff.
Also, didn’t you tell me sex is not dying?
@AaronMk
I just hate how the pandemic made cancel culture a lot stronger since last year when Brendon Urie, Charli D’Amelio and ppcocaine got cancelled.
 
I think you’re projecting the importance of these people a bit too much and it’s time to get off line and devote some mental resources to things far more worthwhile before you incur significant mental damage on yourself. Or else you’re probably just stumbling into industry created controversy for the sake of hits.
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@Hollowfox Jaeger
 
Sex is one thing.
 
 
Whipping your dick out at a flight attendant is not sex, it’s sexual assault.
 
 
Go ahead. Jump on a United flight and pull your dick out when they come to give you your complimentary flat soda. See how long it takes before you get an unreasonably dull plastic knife to the crotch.
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I mean sure it sucks seeing your heroes fall from grace. But I think you got things backwards if you’re more offended at them facing consequences for being sexual predators more than you are at them being sexual predators.
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This is why sex is dead because women hate sex (like the majority of third wave feminists) just because their woke projects (such as Birds of Prey, Batwoman, Supergirl, Captain Marvel, High Guardian Spice, Charlie’s Angels, and Hillary Clinton) didn’t please everyone and they got sick and tired of being ridiculed after that so they accuse a man of sexual harassment/assault/misconduct.
 
But Wow, can’t believe what he did. Flair and Dreamer should be ashamed of themselves. Thanks for making me realize that.
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@Zincy  
Puts a new spin on “Nature Boy”, that’s for damn sure. Woo.
 
@Dustcan  
I went to Penn State shortly before the Paterno thing broke, so this is old hat for me. You can’t put people on pedestals. Respect their achievements, admire their good works, but always remember that they are fallible. And sometimes they are downright nasty.
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