Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)
Dustcan 
Dogs
It’s not hard to see that Musk is full of shit. He’s a literal slave owner who avoids paying his taxes and is a failure at everything he invents buys out. Of course he hates “The Left” while caters and promotes the talking points of “The Right”; “The Left” calls him out on his BS while “The Right” ensures there’s never a moment where his boots aren’t licked clean. He of course tries to dress it up in some ‘enlightened centrist’ BS, but of course even that is just cover for right-wing talking points.
The timeline on his own may-may demonstrate itself. 2008 had Dems running Obama vs McCain. 2012 had Obama vs Romney. And back in 2021 we had…Trump inciting an insurrection to keep so Biden doesn’t become president.
This is just Musk appropriating a left-wing talking point, the shifting Overton Window, and pulling a DARVO on it.
SazerLite 
A Mellow Fellow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFts2BZh8pQ
An interesting argument is made here that it’s not so much that the left has gone further left while the right has mostly stayed stationary, but rather a lot of the supposed far-right had been censored and suppressed while the far-left has been able to plow ahead unchallenged along with support from major corporations and social media, including Twitter.
An interesting argument is made here that it’s not so much that the left has gone further left while the right has mostly stayed stationary, but rather a lot of the supposed far-right had been censored and suppressed while the far-left has been able to plow ahead unchallenged along with support from major corporations and social media, including Twitter.
Ciaran 
Senior Moderator
友情は魔法だ
@SazerLite
Would you please define your terms?
Would you please define your terms?
What do you mean
lot of the supposed far-right had been censored and suppressed?What do you mean
the far-left has been able to plow ahead unchallenged along with support?Can you give an example of someone on the far-right being censored and suppressed?
Can you give an example of someone on the far-left being able to plow ahead unchallenged?
Because major corporations, Twitter included, tend to be ENORMOUSLY conservative. The only thing they care about is money and most of them are massive supporters of conservative politicians and parties.
So … what is it that you are seeing or referring to? What do you mean?
Like, is there someone on the far-right who has been censored or suppressed by Exxon or Apple? Is there someone on the far-left who has been somehow supported or encouraged by Exxon or Apple?
What is it that you mean by the words you are using?
Meanlucario 
Time to get spooky
@SazerLite
I mean, when the left points out that white males having a significantly more power than women or those of other races, people are likely to listen and give feedback. Much less so when it’s just people just using slurs to feel better about themselves.
I mean, when the left points out that white males having a significantly more power than women or those of other races, people are likely to listen and give feedback. Much less so when it’s just people just using slurs to feel better about themselves.
Ciaran
Senior Moderator
友情は魔法だ
@Meanlucario
Police officers.
Police officers.
Reminds me - one of my neighbors ended up in an armed standoff against police. And of course in front of his house is a giant ‘Blue Line’ flag.
Part of the problem is that a lot of people see him as ‘conservative’ or ‘alt-right’. But he’s not. He’s just an asshole, and whatever he can do to piss someone off he does. Like the ‘Blue Line’ flag. It was a thing he could do to fly the finger at the BLM folks during the Floyd protests, so he did it. But that didn’t mean he supported cops. He just hated blacks.
So you end up with someone flying the “I SUPPORT OUR OFFICERS IN BLUE” flag while also shooting at them because they hate blacks.
People point at that and say; “Look how crazy the alt-right are!” But that guy’s not alt-right. He’s just an asshole and it’s just coincidental that his actions and statements tend to line up with the alt-right more often than not.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
There’s not all that much about Elon Musk that I really like. His cars are buggy beta tests and he seems to be a flaky, all over the place kind of guy. But he does have some interesting sides and ideas as well. 14 hours ago he tweeted this:
Wait, so Elon isn’t progressive, just lets things happen than complains about the world moving without him, blaming others for his refusal to grow and adapt?
Ciaran
Senior Moderator
友情は魔法だ
@Meanlucario
Have you ever read “Thunder” series of books by John Varley?
Have you ever read “Thunder” series of books by John Varley?
In it, the cousin of a very conservative but disgraced astronaut accidentally discovers a new unbelievably powerful engine and after he gets run over by a bunch of kids deep into science while passed out drunk on a beach feeling bad for himself creates a rocket out of some tankers that makes it to Mars and back and reinvents the entire world because now anyone can have limitless power. And he fucks off to Mars because America becomes such an unlivable hell hole - twisting endlessly between authoritarian excesses and no personal privacy or rights, while at the same time the nanny state goes into overdrive until things like illiteracy are protected and people can’t be fired for anything.
I know this is absurd. But that series is almost a freaking road map for everything that SpaceX and Musk are doing.
I didn’t put it together until Musk said that as soon as his ships clear the atmosphere, SpaceX will not recognize any Earth based laws. Not even international ones. It’s even baked into the StarLink contract.
For services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other colonisation spacecraft, the parties recognise Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities
It’s like SpaceX is a live action role play of Red Thunder.
Don’t get me wrong - I’m not opposed. If I were living in that book and had the same opportunities, I’d do the same thing.
I’d much prefer something along the lines of Rendezvous with Rama of course. I mean - if I got to choose the book. But if I were in a Red Thunder world, which we might actually be, then I’d fuck off to Mars as fast as I could, too.
I’m not sure which book Musk is living in. But it sure feels like he’s in Red Thunder.
I just wish he’d get off his ass and invent the squeezer drive.
Penguin Dragneel 
The Latest Tax Write-Off
I still remember my early days on the internet, and how despite always leaning slightly left, I desperately tried to be a centrist for the longest time (to the detriment of my sanity).
As the years went on though, I slowly (but surely) started to realize just how pointless and dumb it is to be neutral when you’re dealing with alt-right nutjobs. So I’ve pretty much doubled down on my liberal beliefs, especially since 2020.
Dustcan
Dogs
Worse really.
BLM was done in response to cops killing blacks. So Blue Lives Matter is even more blatant than All Lives Matter in the “We’re not saying Black Lives Don’t Matter but…” motivation.
Background Pony #CE21
@MethidMan
Looking at the data I don’t agree. I think the left moved farther left and the right for the most part didn’t respond. I don’t know where Musk would have fallen politically 20 years ago though.
Looking at the data I don’t agree. I think the left moved farther left and the right for the most part didn’t respond. I don’t know where Musk would have fallen politically 20 years ago though.
Dustcan
Dogs
M8 10 years ago the Reps were pushing Romney as their leader. Now they are the Qult of Trump.
Romney didn’t move an inch in the decade but is now seen as some far-left RINO. Meanwhile in that same time the Dems went from Obama to…Obama’s VP.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
@Background Pony #CE21
I mean, it says more about the republicans than the democrats when the KKK moved to the right party. Also, going to source the data for people to look at and examine?
I mean, it says more about the republicans than the democrats when the KKK moved to the right party. Also, going to source the data for people to look at and examine?
Seiken
@Penguin Dragneel
Like mate… that actually sounds awesome, an easy excuse for me to drop twitter? Sign me up papa elon, where do i nuke my account?
Like mate… that actually sounds awesome, an easy excuse for me to drop twitter? Sign me up papa elon, where do i nuke my account?
@silbasa
I feel the same and i still see myself progressive left, sometimes center left… just not lunatic left.
I feel the same and i still see myself progressive left, sometimes center left… just not lunatic left.
Ereiam 
Monde de merde
the right for the most part didn’t respond
Yeah, sure, that’s probably why they elected Trump and are now trying to roll back on abortion and LGBTQ+ rights.
Pull the other one, it has bells on it.
Pull the other one, it has bells on it.
Background Pony #F298
@Dustcan
yes but when one looks at what I’ve already posted it’s not as clear cut as “Yeah but the Republicans obviously were the oens who moved.” From the Pew research and the report I posted it seems the Republicans didn’t move as fast as the Dems.
yes but when one looks at what I’ve already posted it’s not as clear cut as “Yeah but the Republicans obviously were the oens who moved.” From the Pew research and the report I posted it seems the Republicans didn’t move as fast as the Dems.
@Meanlucario
I did, I don’t think anybody to look at it,
I did, I don’t think anybody to look at it,
Background Pony #F298
@Background Pony #F298
To build on this, why don’t we go over some of the key political positions, Ereiam started on it,
To build on this, why don’t we go over some of the key political positions, Ereiam started on it,
Abortion: Republicans have always opposed it, I’d say this is them not moving
LGBT rights: How far back are we going? It used to be both parties opposed gay marriage, Democrats were quicker to embrace it but now even the majority of Republicans approve of it. That seems to be a leftward swing of the Republicans,
National Defense: Again it really depends on the starting point. Republicans remain pro national defense, but after Trump something did change in that they wanted out of the Middle East.
Immigration: Republicans may have moved a little right on this, the build a wall folks were around even in the 90s, but I don’t think this idea was as big as it is now.
What I think happened as a whole was that the country shifted a little left mostly due to the LGBT issue in the past 30 years, but Republicans didn’t shift as much as Democrats.
Penguin Dragneel
The Latest Tax Write-Off
From the Pew research and the report I posted it seems the Republicans didn’t move as fast as the Dems.
Sure. Let’s go with that.
r/sarcasm
Background Pony #988B
@Background Pony #F298
LGBT rights is not an inherently leftward position, however, it only seems that way in the US/Europe because within that sphere the Left is syncretized with liberalism.
LGBT rights is not an inherently leftward position, however, it only seems that way in the US/Europe because within that sphere the Left is syncretized with liberalism.
Background Pony #F298
@Background Pony #988B
I don’t agree with the “Left is syncretized with liberalism”. I think our politics are a bit too complicated with that.
I don’t agree with the “Left is syncretized with liberalism”. I think our politics are a bit too complicated with that.
Background Pony #F298
@Background Pony #988B
Actually wait, do you mean that people in the US tend to view it that way, if that’s the case I agree.
Actually wait, do you mean that people in the US tend to view it that way, if that’s the case I agree.
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