The Virus Outbreak Thread
Zerowinger 
3-3/4" Army Man Fan
@tehwatever
Are people still hoarding toilet paper where you are? Around my area the stores long ago put in limits to one package per person.
@CaptainXtra
People have held crazy theories since before the internet existed, this is nothing new.
@tehwatever
CCP did cover up and downplay the outbreak for political reasons - but that’s still not the same as the other two events people are comparing. It’s a political move, yes, but it’s a more passive rather than active compared to those other two, and doesn’t hold the same intent to cause deliberate harm.
I didn’t say there weren’t people that would blame this on “all Chinese” - just not enough to matter in the grand scheme of things, in my opinion. People do want to decouple the economy from China and repatriate manufacturing from the country, and many of these are the same people who have been calling for that for years. But given how the outbreak in China completely shut down the global supply chain and subsequent economic domino effect, I don’t see why that’s a bad idea.
Are people still hoarding toilet paper where you are? Around my area the stores long ago put in limits to one package per person.
@CaptainXtra
People have held crazy theories since before the internet existed, this is nothing new.
@tehwatever
CCP did cover up and downplay the outbreak for political reasons - but that’s still not the same as the other two events people are comparing. It’s a political move, yes, but it’s a more passive rather than active compared to those other two, and doesn’t hold the same intent to cause deliberate harm.
I didn’t say there weren’t people that would blame this on “all Chinese” - just not enough to matter in the grand scheme of things, in my opinion. People do want to decouple the economy from China and repatriate manufacturing from the country, and many of these are the same people who have been calling for that for years. But given how the outbreak in China completely shut down the global supply chain and subsequent economic domino effect, I don’t see why that’s a bad idea.
MagpulPony 
Fuck Russia
@Zerowinger
I think it’s compared more on the effects of the event on the country, not necessarily implying it was deliberate or targeted like Pear or 9/11. That said, while it may not have been deliberate, this was an unknown viral otbreak that the CCP covered up. They’re as guilty as a drunk driver that kills a pedestrian. It may not have been intentional, but careless, selfish choices lead to an otherwise avoidable deadly outcome. And there should be consequences.
I think it’s compared more on the effects of the event on the country, not necessarily implying it was deliberate or targeted like Pear or 9/11. That said, while it may not have been deliberate, this was an unknown viral otbreak that the CCP covered up. They’re as guilty as a drunk driver that kills a pedestrian. It may not have been intentional, but careless, selfish choices lead to an otherwise avoidable deadly outcome. And there should be consequences.
Background Pony #CC0E
Sadly, a former “friend” of mine was one of those “9/11 was an inside job” believers.
tehwatever 
stores long ago put in limits to one package per person
What I infer from it, is that ppl aren’t stopping because they’ve finally come to their senses. That is the crux of my point: that you need active intervention to prevent ppl from letting their frustrations take over their otherwise empathetic and social behavior.
Yeah sure. Support local manufacturers, man. I divest from China on general principle.
Also ofc I cannot compare premeditated attacks on US soil vs a major incompetence–and I really hope it stays that way.
What I fear is IF ppl down the line, maybe two three years after La Corona is defeated, start reshaping the narrative and retrospectively see the the outbreak as an attack on US soil.
I hope it wouldn’t go that way.
Yeah sure. Support local manufacturers, man. I divest from China on general principle.
Also ofc I cannot compare premeditated attacks on US soil vs a major incompetence–and I really hope it stays that way.
What I fear is IF ppl down the line, maybe two three years after La Corona is defeated, start reshaping the narrative and retrospectively see the the outbreak as an attack on US soil.
I hope it wouldn’t go that way.
Ebalosus 
Build commie blocks!
@Background Pony #3BE4
@MagpulPony
That’s all good and well, but given the immense unreliability issues and a gun that’ll damage the airframe if fired and can’t even shoot straight,, it’s kind of irrelevant how manoeuvrable or stealthy it is. And no, you can’t change my mind, and your denial of these flaws shows just how ill-prepared the pentagon is for a major conflict with a modern industrialised adversary.
Socialism suddenly doesn’t work just because the defence establishment is doing it.
@Zerowinger
While there’s nothing wrong with repatriating manufacturing, people seem to be under the false assumption that it’ll bring all the jobs back, when in reality thanks to automation a lot fewer jobs will return. Instead of a factory that creates 1,000 jobs, it’s one that only creates 3-400 jobs. Not a bad thing IMO, because at least the factory is local, but a lot harder to sell politically.
Related to that and compounding the issue in America is pork-barrel spending and “state-participation.” If Trump said tomorrow that he’s going to spend $100 billion dollars to bring all the manufacturing home, every single state will both want a piece of that, and a guarantee of equal jobs spread out amongst them. The problem is that certain industries are very dependent on proximity integration, where it’s more profitable for them to be near other parts of the process. Semiconductors are the major example, which is why a lot of semiconductor manufacturing is done in Taiwan, Korea, and China to a lesser extent.
If, for example, 20% of the jobs brought home are semiconductor manufacturing, and said industry would prefer to be in one or two-three proximate states, and the semiconductor industry says that the Carolinas would be the best states for them to set up in, you can understand why such a proposition would be a pretty hard sell in congress and the senate.
The point being that even if everyone [rightly] diversifies manufacturing out of China due to the coronavirus, that doesn’t mean they’ll automatically come home. Honestly I can see it going to Mexico before going to the states.
Anyway, as for the coronavirus here, Shaddy said that the Bluff wedding was out-of-towners, so there’s less to worry about.
@MagpulPony
That’s all good and well, but given the immense unreliability issues and a gun that’ll damage the airframe if fired and can’t even shoot straight,, it’s kind of irrelevant how manoeuvrable or stealthy it is. And no, you can’t change my mind, and your denial of these flaws shows just how ill-prepared the pentagon is for a major conflict with a modern industrialised adversary.
Socialism suddenly doesn’t work just because the defence establishment is doing it.
@Zerowinger
While there’s nothing wrong with repatriating manufacturing, people seem to be under the false assumption that it’ll bring all the jobs back, when in reality thanks to automation a lot fewer jobs will return. Instead of a factory that creates 1,000 jobs, it’s one that only creates 3-400 jobs. Not a bad thing IMO, because at least the factory is local, but a lot harder to sell politically.
Related to that and compounding the issue in America is pork-barrel spending and “state-participation.” If Trump said tomorrow that he’s going to spend $100 billion dollars to bring all the manufacturing home, every single state will both want a piece of that, and a guarantee of equal jobs spread out amongst them. The problem is that certain industries are very dependent on proximity integration, where it’s more profitable for them to be near other parts of the process. Semiconductors are the major example, which is why a lot of semiconductor manufacturing is done in Taiwan, Korea, and China to a lesser extent.
If, for example, 20% of the jobs brought home are semiconductor manufacturing, and said industry would prefer to be in one or two-three proximate states, and the semiconductor industry says that the Carolinas would be the best states for them to set up in, you can understand why such a proposition would be a pretty hard sell in congress and the senate.
The point being that even if everyone [rightly] diversifies manufacturing out of China due to the coronavirus, that doesn’t mean they’ll automatically come home. Honestly I can see it going to Mexico before going to the states.
Anyway, as for the coronavirus here, Shaddy said that the Bluff wedding was out-of-towners, so there’s less to worry about.
MagpulPony
Fuck Russia
@Ebalosus
It’s one fighter program. And thankfully in an actual war, we have a funny way of suddenly making things work when we need them, not to mention implementing technologies that didn’t previously “officially” exist. That’s part of the US strategy which is of course deception. Create but also prevent strategic surprise.
It’s one fighter program. And thankfully in an actual war, we have a funny way of suddenly making things work when we need them, not to mention implementing technologies that didn’t previously “officially” exist. That’s part of the US strategy which is of course deception. Create but also prevent strategic surprise.
𝕭𝖆𝖉𝖍𝖊𝖆𝖗𝖙 
Well, I feel bad for the Chinese citizens out here.
And if I see you antagonize them irl? I’ll beat you to the ground.
And if I see you antagonize them irl? I’ll beat you to the ground.
tehwatever
@Ebalosus
That’s a great point you just made with the job issue. I agree that divesting from China doesnt mean bringing jobs back to the USA.
I mean, if some other countries (that isn’t China) proposes a tender that is lucrative then I don’t see why you would choose local.
The only surefire way to go local is to do it out of principle. To say “ey das it no more foreign factories, we do errything here, right here.”
That’s a great point you just made with the job issue. I agree that divesting from China doesnt mean bringing jobs back to the USA.
I mean, if some other countries (that isn’t China) proposes a tender that is lucrative then I don’t see why you would choose local.
The only surefire way to go local is to do it out of principle. To say “ey das it no more foreign factories, we do errything here, right here.”
Zerowinger
3-3/4" Army Man Fan
@Meanlucario
Cute PSA. In fact, I think that would be a good choice for the next featured image.
I’ve started a new thread to discuss what people are doing to pass the time in quarantine/shelter-in-place, if anyone is interested.
Cute PSA. In fact, I think that would be a good choice for the next featured image.
I’ve started a new thread to discuss what people are doing to pass the time in quarantine/shelter-in-place, if anyone is interested.
tehwatever
Was browsing reddit came across this post. If they was being real and wasnt faking it for clout, then this isn’t funny, you guys!
I’m 13 yo asian and I have to deal wit ppl bullying me and my family and shouting death threats to me whenever I’m in my backyard. I fucking despise the ppl who treat us like shit because the virus started in our country. It isnt our damn fault.
the response have been really positive and kind but the fact that she even had to deal with that shit is jus wrong.
𝐒𝐞𝐚𝐫 
@MagpulPony
Oh dang… I forgot to pay attention to it’s sources.
It’ll still gonna look like that anytime soon.
Oh dang… I forgot to pay attention to it’s sources.
It’ll still gonna look like that anytime soon.
MagpulPony
Fuck Russia
@Count Adramélekh Sear
Yeah, overall LA is a very heavily polluted city but the visible side of that is hit or miss depending on conditions.
Yeah, overall LA is a very heavily polluted city but the visible side of that is hit or miss depending on conditions.
DerpyFast 
If I hadn’t cancelled my trip and the outbreak hadn’t happened, then I’d have flown home from Ontario today. Given that Ontario is projecting between 3,000 and 15,000 deaths, and I hail from a fairly unassuming backwater city with only 8 cases, I definitely made the right decision.
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