Video Game General 2: Definitive/Remastered Edition

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Here you guys discussing the background philosophical inquiries presented on stories that contend with the moral conondrum that is being a human being and our order within the food chain imposed amongst the very fabric of every action we partake in so as to feel a degree of control in a callous universe from which we are merely puppepts dangling in it’s strings
 
And i just wanna see which sticks pokes the flying lizard for better damage (lance is winning so far btw sweet baby rngeesus that evade potential)
Background Pony #6F1D
The problem baked into Bioshock is that Andrew Ryan is a completley imperfect exemplar of objectivism. The Fundamental flaw baked right into the premise of the game is that Andrew Ryan is not the kind of capitalist Ayn Rand Idealised..
 
(capitalism being pejorative coined by Karl Marx of all people. “Capitalism” is just the free exchange of goods and service between willing people who respect one another’s rights to their own property and is the only moral way to run a society… but that’s a whole other topic.)
 
Andrew Ryan is the Type of Capitalst who could only exist under Government Regulation. Ayn Rand was very careful to Separate The Jonathan Galt’s from say, the Michael Bloombergs who made their billions by exploiting a system that was set up by a heavily regulated economy and Government. (this is why these people vote overwhelmingly democrat)
 
Robber barons monopolies could not exist without government interference and regulations.
 
Ayn Rand is criticized on this basis but it’s a false dichotomy. She called these types of people in her novels and philosophy as parasites.
 
She considered a true capitalist to be someone who made it on his own, competed in a free market and was constantly improving his product and business because the free market forced him too. These modern Robber barons don’t want a free market, There’s nothing they want less. That’s one of the fallacies Ken Levine uses to prop up the false premise of the game.
 
Contrary to popular belief, Altruism is not taboo in objectivism and in fact, the kind of Mad science and cruelty seen in Rapture is anathema to objectivism. If you could criticise anything about objectivism it’s that it can be too moral. What Ayn Rand believed is Altruism could only exist if you made the choice to do so at your own expense, not if the Government made the choice for you and took your property to distribute as they see fit. An objectivist is no one’s master and no one’s slave.
 
BioShock Does get a few things right, including the guy fighting for the people actually being a grifter using the masses to gain power.
Background Pony #6F1D
By the By, While Atlas Shrugged is an important book, Its not so much a story as it is an exploration of Ayn Rand Philosophy.
 
Read the Fountainhead. It’s an excellent book that stands on it’s own merits as a genuinly entertaining story.
Background Pony #6F1D
The Fall of Rapture can be attributed to Andrew Ryan violating the core Tennants of Objectivism and betraying his own Ideals.
 
He nationalised his enemies property, Regulated the market, restricted travel and banned personal effects like the bible. Than, He allowed little girls to be turned into monsters, violating “no one’s master, No one’s slave”.
 
Andrew Ryan is Not Johnathan Galt, He’s more like James Taggart Trying to impersonate Galt. The events of the Game only take place because of these violations.
Meanlucario
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Time to get spooky
@Background Pony #6F1D  
Maybe it’s because Andrew Ryan is a more realistic leader for Objectivism than Johnathan Galt. Every form of government falls because the ones who want the power are the ones who will do the most harm.
Dustcan
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Dogs
Andrew Ryan is the Type of Capitalst who could only exist under Government Regulation. Ayn Rand was very careful to Separate The Jonathan Galt’s from say, the Michael Bloombergs who made their billions by exploiting a system that was set up by a heavily regulated economy and Government. (this is why these people vote overwhelmingly democrat)
Robber barons monopolies could not exist without government interference and regulations.
Ayn Rand is criticized on this basis but it’s a false dichotomy. She called these types of people in her novels and philosophy as parasites.
She considered a true capitalist to be someone who made it on his own, competed in a free market and was constantly improving his product and business because the free market forced him too. These modern Robber barons don’t want a free market, There’s nothing they want less. That’s one of the fallacies Ken Levine uses to prop up the false premise of the game.
 
The problem is that ultimately there is no such thing as a “Self made billionaire”. Show me any “self made billionaire” and I’ll show you someone who benefited from centuries, nay, millennia of scientific progress, millennia of agricultural breakthroughs producing the most nutritious and bountiful harvests, centuries of infrastructure giving them a warm home, centuries of education techniques to stand on the shoulders of previous giants, and most important of all decades of the labor from hundreds if not thousands of employees working under them.
 
Billionaires aren’t made in a bubble, and that’s ultimately the problem with these kinds of narratives pushed to prop up ubermensches; they forget the they live in a society.
 
Contrary to popular belief, Altruism is not taboo in objectivism and in fact, the kind of Mad science and cruelty seen in Rapture is anathema to objectivism. If you could criticise anything about objectivism it’s that it can be too moral. What Ayn Rand believed is Altruism could only exist if you made the choice to do so at your own expense, not if the Government made the choice for you and took your property to distribute as they see fit. An objectivist is no one’s master and no one’s slave.
 
Rand very much believed that morality is ultimately secondary/servile to the person’s own feelings. Altruism is fine, but only if the person performing it gets to feel good about it. If the person doesn’t get any positive feeling from acting altruistically? Then he’s lame and not cool.
 
 
@Background Pony #6F1D  
By the By, While Atlas Shrugged is an important book, Its not so much a story as it is an exploration of Ayn Rand Philosophy.
 
And that’s why Atlas Shrugged is a universal punchline.
 
 
@Background Pony #6F1D
 
See, that’s the thing. Bioshock simply followed Objectivism to it’s conclusion, especially with Andrew Ryan.
 
According to Objectivism anything and especially everything is “moral” and acceptable as long as it benefits the individual. Ryan “betrayed” his principles when he started nationalizing everything and instituted taxes, except he didn’t. According to Objectivism he was just doing what he needed to do in order to keep winning at the game.
 
And therein lies the problem. Everything was “fine” when the leader of Rapture was the top dog, when he was the best player. But when Fontaine started to beat Ryan at his own game incidentally by deconstructing another flaw in Rand’s philosophy. Atlas Shrugged went on and on with, you guessed it, filibuster after dozens of pages of filibusters (not an exaggeration) over how religion is dumb and lame in no small part because religion says to put God above yourself. Which is a big no-no in Objectivism, in Soviet Objectivism you are put above God!. So Fontaine simply took the people’s need for spiritual fulfillment and smuggled in banned religious texts.
 
So should Ryan have just let Fontaine become the top dog? No, according to the Objectivist interpretation of “you are the main character in your own story”, Ryan had to be a bigger ubermensch than Fontaine. But since Fontaine was beating Ryan at his own game, that meant Ryan had to change the rules. Which ended up in disaster when those new rules ran into everyone else still playing their own game of “be the ubermensch” telling them to throw off Ryan’s rules.
Background Pony #6F1D
@DerpyFast  
When you violate someones personhood and Indivduality by performing life altering and damaging experimental medical procedures on someone not able to give consent, You effectively turn them into slaves and thus violate the social contract and are no longer afforded it’s protection.
 
Objectivism exalts the Individual. What happened to the Little sister was a classic case of violating someone’s rights for “The greater good”.
Dustcan
Magnificent Metadata Maniac - #1 Assistant
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Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Condensed Milk - State-Approved Compensation

Dogs
Ultimately Atlas Shrugged is all about how everything the protagonists do is okay because they are the only ubermensches. Morality bends itself around them instead of the other way. No matter what disaster or atrocity they do, it’s okay. They know better. They are better.
 
Bioshock is all about exploring the aftermath of what happens when 2 ubermensches are on opposing sides.
Meanlucario
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Solar Guardian - Refused to surrender in the face of the Lunar rebellion and showed utmost loyalty to the Solar Empire (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Kinship Through Differences - Celebrated the 11th anniversary of MLP:FIM!

Time to get spooky
@Dustcan  
When people think they are in the right, they turn an eye away from their own atrocities. That should be a theme in video games more often, especially with the player character.
Background Pony #6F1D
“The basic principle of altruism is that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the only justification of his existence, and that self-sacrifice is his highest moral duty, virtue and value.”
 
“Those who start by saying: ‘It is selfish to pursue your own wishes, you must sacrifice them to the wishes of others’ — end up by saying: ‘It is selfish to uphold your convictions, you must sacrifice them to the convictions of others.’”
 
Rand was opposed Altruism as Interpreted by a French philosopher named August compte. To compte,  
acts done for any reason beyond advancing someone else’s well-being were not morally justified. That would mean that taking a tax deduction for a charitable contribution strips it of its morality. Feeling good about doing good does the same. Even “love your neighbor as yourself” fails the unlimited duty to others his version of altruism imposes.
 
The main problem with understanding Ayn Rand’s position on this today is that modern usage of the term has eroded his meaning of altruism to little more than a synonym for generosity, so Rand’s rejection of the original meaning — the requirement of total selflessness — is erroneously taken as rejecting generosity.
 
English Not being Rands first language, She would often conflate the term Selfishness and Self interest and use them interchangeably.
 
To use an example of what Rand meant, Self interest, would be working long hours to earn the money to buy a house for yourself, to learn new skills and advance yourself in society.
 
Selfishness would be sitting on your ass all day playing videogames and living on welfare while you still live with your parents and force them to, by your own inaction, to provide for you.
 
There is nothing wrong with self interest. It’s what motivates you to improve yourself and pursue your dream or just to get out of Bed in the morning.
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