A proof that Nazi weren't being promoted or getting pupular on this site!

@Background Pony #D602  
As I understand it the reasoning goes like this. Many trans people are depressed and think once they get gender reassignment surgery everything will be better. The counter argument is that no they need therapy to get better, not reassurance that they are another gender and then mutilating their genitalia so they can never function fully as either man or woman. Society today is “pushing” them to “change gender”, but they never become happier after the change, many of them gets worse (and 41% commit suicide after surgery). So hence “Clown world” is the only good way of describing it. Society is not helping them at all, it is just making it worse.

@Background Pony #CF26  
Medical science disagrees.
 
Gender dysphoria is real, and therapy - while important - doesn’t just make it go away. Transitioning doesn’t make it go away, but it is a helpful way to deal with it.
 
Having a body and identity that’s closer to how you actually want to be is a step up.
 
A lot of trans people don’t get genital reassignment surgery, but to the ones that do, they don’t view it as mutilation so much as committing to making their body as close to their ideal as possible. It depends on the trans person, and many of them don’t feel like they need bottom surgery to meaningfully live as their identified gender.
 
Telling a trans person, “No. You have to live as your biological sex” will not help them, because of the dysphoria they have.
 
Now, I do think we should also work on normalizing gender nonconformity. If we as a society are more accepting of feminine men and masculine women, we could end up with fewer “false positives” of non-dysphoric people thinking they’re trans and prematurely transitioning.
 
It’s not an either/or thing. We should be more accepting of trans people, and gender-nonconforming cis people, and encourage both to be who they’re comfortable being.

@Background Pony #CF26  
Where’s the “world” in the pic?  
It’s kinda like ADHD, methinks. USA turbo overdiagnoses it… but some people really DO have ADHD. Hence, some (no guess at percentage) “trans” people are actually trans - have sex dysphoria - and the cure is SRS/HRT to make the body match the mind, but not all of them.  
If someone doesn’t have dysphoria, pushing them to do SRS is… not really any different than any other bigotry and medical malpractice; and only a qualified specialist (or the transsexual themselves if they’ve researched their own psyche really well) can actually tell whether someone does have dysphoria or not.
 
Speaking of which, what’s the pre-surgery trans suicide rate? Somehow I’ve never seen that statistic.
 

The other side of exact same coin as “No. You have to transition” told someone without sex dysphoria.
 

This. And make getting real psychological help seen as acceptable, for fuck’s sake, just that would drop issues of the world by an order of magnitude.

@Barhandar
 

 
Yes, that’s what I mean about us needing better acceptance for gender-nonconformity in cis people too. I think we’d have less non-dysphoric people thinking they’re trans if it wasn’t taboo to be masculine/feminine/some mix of both depending on your sex.
 
Dysphoria and trans people are real and valid; At the same time, just being gender-nonconforming doesn’t equate to being trans, and I think increased acceptance would benefit both groups.

@Barhandar  
Pre-surgery rates tend to be rolled into the matching gender. I’m sure if you ask around enough you can get someone to help compile such.

We should probably stay on topic. The OP is important.

Please don’t derail. Best to keep this thread on topic.

@Background Pony #3F26  

 
@Background Pony #FF67  

 
There’s honestly not that hard of an explanation to as why stuff like this keeps devolving into IRL “culture war” nonsense. Right-wingers on the internet have this bizarre world made up in their heard where there’s this mass conspiracy to destroy what they think “western civilization” is, and everything from the validity of trans people, to Confederate monuments being toppled, and even a niche website like this tightening up its rules is all connected to the “postmodern neo-Marxists” who control our society, in some way. And so, when something like this happens, it very quickly gets tied into the grand conspiracy theory that exists solely in their heads.
 
But we’re getting even more off-topic now, so I’ll stop myself.

Thank you OP for making this post. ❤️  
That was exactly my gut feeling all along. It’s just MSM and Woot spinning this thing out of proportion to garner some clicks.

@muffmuffin  
I’ve already explained, but
 

@Moonatik  
I mean, if you want to believe that you are surrounded by nazis I’m not stopping you. But’s that is not what I’ve seen from interacting with people within a fandom online and off. I am not denying there are some people who are like that, but they are few. To claim that nazis are overtaking the brony fandom is just insane.

@muffmuffin  
I’m not claiming that.

@Background Pony #896E  
i went through and made some actual graphs to show this off better.  
included R^2 values and trendline functions for any nerds out there.  

@danmur15  
that’s actually really interesting and i didn’t realize that, thank you for putting that together. i know the data is being used to argue that deleting nazi content isn’t worth the effort but honestly this leads me to the opposite conclusion - if derpibooru puts an end to an already apparently dying trend, who exactly are they hurting? the massive blowback and wave of DNPs resulting from the re-allowance of nazi content would seem to prove to me that there are a whole lot more people in the fandom who want nazi stuff gone versus wanting it to stay.

@Bexar Bandito  
my argument is not that it’s not worth the effort, my argument is that it is ridiculous that people are getting mad about nazi images now of all times. If people actually cared about nazi images on the site, they would have spoken up years ago when it was actually a “problem” (if you define a problem as less than half of a percent of all images at its peak)

@Bexar Bandito  
That it woud open the door for future twitter/4chan raids and a new banned topic every week.

Actually, how much pictures are here which evidently promote nazi ideas?  
Not parodies and or describing fictional or real events or edge jokes, but really promoting hate? These which trying to manipulate viwer opinion to turn him from normal people to hating other by nationaility? (Is it even possible to make someone naze with art)  
I think about zero. The blatant propaganda is already banned and removed with existing rules.
 

 
I have an idea for updating site rules - don’t ban controversial art in gray zone where it hard to tell difference between propaganda or fantasy, but allow critique of nazi ideas under pictures without reffering “just filter it”. Like, let SJW have their freedom of speech and let them speak and don’t censorship them. Still, don’t let turn rational conservations and explanation slip to toxic hate flood and insults.
 
Someone want to mention under “racistjack” art that racism IRL is very bad and not fair? Let them speek, don’t apply ‘just filter it’ rule. Someone is spewing insults and threats? Delete this comment. Not under ‘just filter it’ rule, but under ‘Be excellent to each other’ rule.
 
Also this will work better for anti-nazi/anti-racist movement better too: rational well-condition explanations works better for prooving opinion than shouting insults.  
Yes, shouts and insults can be used to manipulate someone actions, but they work the opposite in changing the real opinion.

@Bexar Bandito  
Can you please explain the 144 Aryanne pictures in your favorites?

@Background Pony #39C9  
for the umpteenth time, those date back to when i didn’t give a shit about nazi pony art. now i do. i’d unfav all 144 pics but i’m lazy af and keep forgetting. (and yes i know that’s a dumb excuse but honestly i was dumb for liking that shit in the first place.)

@danmur15  
We’ve been speaking up for years, the only reason derpi gave a shit now is because they got media attention

@Background Pony #D0DA  
if youve been trying to get that stuff off the site for years, then im not mad at you. I’m mad at all the twitter bronies who have decided that it’s only an issue now and have painted the entire fandom in a bad light due to a miniscule amount of images that were mostly posted years ago.

@Background Pony #6581  
whoops, didnt mean to background pony

@Bexar Bandito
 
The problem is that those activists already stated that after removing all “nazi” arts they are gonna go after different fetishes on this site, unrelated to nazi.
 
People defend Aryanne arts (when no nazi promotional context is involved) simply to prevent more censorship in the future, done with the similar reasoning.

@Bexar Bandito
 
There are “foalcon” arts in your favorites as well.
 
Are you aware that this is the first fetish majority of anti-nazi people are claiming to go after they get rid of “nazi” tagged arts?
 
All of this only leads to more and more censorship.
 
It’s not about stopping the “nazi problem”, it’s about ruining this site.

@Bexar Bandito
 
By the way, a few days ago you said this:
 

 
You are being so hypocritical right now…
 
I just checked: you DID favorite recent foalcon arts just a few days ago, and just 13 hours ago!
 
You also said:
 

 
Those groomers survived just fine without any foalcon. Even if some of them would use it, it’s just one of many tools thay could use (from loli to regular porn).
 
Here’s an example, why such logic is flawed:
 
Sometimes, kitchen knives are used to kill people.
 
Why do people keep using those knives?
 
Maybe because it doesn’t matter what they can be used by some people for.
 
It matters what you are gonna use them for.
 
And it’s about a lot of things in this world, which can be used for malicious purposes. Not just knives.