Anonymous and "repercussions" do not exist together. (Yes, this is about Nazi shit)

This is a spin off of the recently closed topic where I was actually have a rather hearty conversation with Admin - Princess Luna.
 
 
It was locked before getting to the final point, but dam if I’m gonna let it slip by. So for context this is what was said.
 

 
”Okay, so. What you just said is physically not possible. It is a contradiction.
 
“you’re against fascism” is what you are trying to convey, by telling me all the things you do that support that idea. By talking about how bad nazis are, and their ideas are.
 
And yet in the same post then talk about how derpi will allow them freedom of expression to their ideals.
 
You literally, can not stand for one and allow the other…..
 
 
Lets pretend for a second thought that the idea of letting the Nazis out themselves actually was a thing. Hi, welcome to Derpibooru, where anyone can like, comment, and upload nazi content ANONYMOUSLY.
 
No one will suffer any repercussions for it, and that half of these forum posts defending nazism as “Freedom of speech” are from anon background ponies would clue you in on that. You can’t “Tip your hand” if all your cards are double backed. The absurdity of your notion, You yourself. “Princess Luna” is not your actual user account. This is your staff account, I’ve no idea who you are outside of this. There’s no links on the account no way of verifying who you are.
 
But that layer of anon is what allows you to sit there and say something so asinine.
 
So there’s your proof that your theory is wrong. Its yourself that’s providing it. “
 
My response is spoiler above, because while I feel it’s relevant overall to the sites health, the bulk of its message is only tangential. It would be the conclusion drawn from it that is much, much more relevant.
 
On a site that allows background ponies to just hop on and say anything they dam well want. There will never be accountability.
 
I’m not proposing we remove it either, let anons on, let them make creepy comments on some really out there fetish stuff. But don’t. Don’t pretend like it can’t be abused to promote Nazism.
 
While I utterly hate nazi crap, at least a few people have attempted to argue my posts with their accounts. Or at least a account instead of anonymously.
 
No more, if you utterly must have your nazi supporting crap, then actually make anyone who posts it, comments, do so from verified accounts.
 
Don’t like the sound of that? Then don’t be fucking posting nazi shit.

Adding another point I wasn’t able to make before the thread closed: this forum isn’t Derpibooru’s community. Deribooru’s community is the people that just used this site to look up and host art. A vanishingly small number of users are even aware this forum exists.
 
Trying to use the people who post in this forum to understand what Derpibooru’s community wants is an exercise in futility. There is no way you can draw users back if you focus just on the people who post here. Maybe talk to the artists who left to understand what they would want, Princess Luna.

Agreed. “[Make it] shown to be unacceptable” is kind of, a, not a thing when they keep getting upvoted. If you want to actually do what you said, you have to actively shit on them whenever they show up.
 
Except that’s a lot more effort than just shitting out swastika ponies, isn’t it? So everyone decides to do nothing to the racist pony art getting upvotes, and attracting more people who see that shit getting upvoted.

Hi there, anonymous poster here.  
Mods can still see who we are. If an anonymous poster does something that breaks the rules, they can face repercussions.  
Just not from you and your ilk.

I definitely believe actions speak louder than words, and right now, the action I’m seeing is someone shrugging their shoulders and choosing to act like a problem shouldn’t be dealt with, lest we devolve into a dystopia where Nazis aren’t safe anymore!
 
But seriously, saying you’re against fascism means nothing. They’re actually saying that fascism isn’t acceptable, then literally explaining why derpi should accept fascism. I hope people aren’t genuinely foolish enough to believe this as a genuine sentiment.
 
Unless you’re actively taking action against fascists in the community, you need to admit to yourself that you’re allowing it to fester and spread.
 
(@ Luna)

Man.  
You guys are all for THE FREEDOM OF THE PRIVATE PLATFORM, but once they disagree with you that all goes out the window.

@Background Pony #A4C5  
I’m aware,
 
But I am not a mod.
 
 
So I have no idea if you’re a account attempting to truly engage in a discussion with me right now, if you’re a troll, or someone who really doesn’t want your opinion on the matter being public. Either way, as I have nothing to associate you with, I have no opinion for you or any other background pony that flubs their way into this topic.
 
With no context of how to take your words, I simply won’t be taking them. You get a response because you were first, and it highlights why anon and “actual shit that matters” can’t go hoof in hoof.
 
Try again with your real account if you’d like a real response.

Nah m8. Cya.

As demonstrated above, This is pretty much exactly why Princess Lunas argument falls completely flat. No accountability, no repercussions. nothing.
 
I would recommend that anyone in this topic who wants to debate and talk, please do so, but if a background pony attempts too, simply not to engage them in conversation. They will hold no accountability for the effort and can say quite literally anything they wish.

@Skygunner  

 
Why does that matter?  
You should judge an idea by what is presented, not on who presents it.  
For the record, the Background pony system works on thread by thread (Or comment page) basis so you’ll always know who you’re talking to in any given instance.

This is me, 8F06 again, hello.
 
EDIT:  

 
Oh, well fair enough.

Hi 8F06, I’m A4C5, did you see my recent posts and uploads so you can use ad homonym to discount my position?  
Oh, you can’t.

“If you don’t want to get rid of free speech, you’re a Nazi [sympathiser]” doesn’t work either. The Nazis were the original book burners, today’s censors are just following in their footprints.

@Background Pony #A4C5  
I could report your post for rule 0 though, which does include trolling, that way if mods thought you were acting in bad faith or ‘trolling’ as it commonly referred, they could act accordingly.

@Background Pony #8F06  
Oh, of course of course, but this thread is about anonymity. I was simply demonstrating a relevant aspect of the BP system.

@Background Pony #8F06  

 
Because this kind of people only knows how to fight people, not ideas. And when you post anonymously, they can’t find random stuff you posted 15 years ago on some obscure forum and use it as if it’s an argument in the discussion at hand.

@Background Pony #A4C5  
The Twitter mob need to know who to go after, obviously. I guess that’ll be me. :P

You’re fighting against imaginary Nazis. Virtually all the artwork you’re trying to get banned is just edgy jokes. There is no way in hell a Nazi uprising is possible with how far society has advanced. If you want to start censoring humour for people’s “safety” then you’d better start censoring the people posting unironic inflammatory garbage like ACAB first (which I don’t want censored by the way). I think that’s much more likely to cause public safety issues.

Literally of the 20 most upvoted Aryanne pics, 19 are porn and one is a parody.

@Frosku  
I’m confused. Are you saying you agree or disagree with anonymous users being able to post nazi content without repercussions?

@Skygunner  
He’s one of the good guys.

@Skygunner  
I honestly don’t care what people post, sorry if that’s a disappointing answer, but I’ve had all the Nazi shit filtered for about 4 years and I’ll have it filtered again for the next 4. Unless you genuinely believe that seeing a picture of Aryanne is going to cause people to start goosestepping, sieg heiling, or initiating genocides, the whole thing is irrelevant. We’re fighting a culture war for the sake of fighting a culture war. No heroics on show, no one’s life is being saved, they’re pictures of magical candy-colored ponies.

@Background Pony #A4C5  
Sorry if it sounded like i was accusing you, i was merely pointing the tools everyone has in order to fight things like trolling.

@Frosku  
That’s not the point of my argument at all, and perhaps left for a topic that already deals with that.
 
This is about how a site admin saying that “the nazis exposing themselves is a good thing” is a fallacy because they can post anonymously.
 
I’m very glad you know how to use filters though.

@Skygunner  
Generally speaking, I don’t think that you can hold anonymous people to account, though perhaps in the current age of cancel culture and zero forgiveness, that’s a good thing. Ultimately, even a white supremacist can change and become a better person with better values, and we should hope for all our sakes that most of them do.
 
On an aside but related note, I do not think that Nazis want an open debate or free speech because their ideas are fucking terrible. There’s a reason fascist governments loved censorship – because ideas from outside of their ideologies were dangerous to them.