Downvotes / Hiding Survey

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I don’t like scat, but I don’t filter it either. There are some truly excellent images that happen to be scat porn, and I don’t want to miss them just because I don’t like scat porn in general.
 
You can spoiler it instead of hiding, and from the preview you can decide whether to take a look at the image if it gets enough upvotes that are reflected by sco… Oh shi~
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I still strongly feel that commenting first before getting the ability to down vote would deter the spammers, but it would also draw light to the person down voting for the sake of it.
 
Even if its just a reason select thing, at least there would be better feedback. Also just hiding an image doesn’t seem like a good idea in the medium term / long term, but this comes from my own personal use. I use the site twice a day to view everyones submissions (because although I’ve not actively watched the show since the end of season 5, the art work is what draws me back).
 
By coming here so often, just hiding an image would not prove very effective, as you would go for one pass through of new content and never return to it afterwards, so hiding to me is just a bit invalid and down votes are more lasting. Really what needs asking is, how often do users go over the small set of images?
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my problems with people downvoting is that they want to downvote art for really dumb reason and they would base on dumb factors like, the art only having ocs, oc is being an alicorn, alicorn oc being ship with cannon ponies, people would downvote it hard if it’s a alicorn male in a harem of hot mares people want to be ship with or see as their waifus and I feel like they do did out of jealousy and hate, they don’t even focus on if the art is good or and if it’s not cringy or focus on if the art have good design and coloring, for alicorn ocs I feel like they only judge them bad for having wings and a horn, they never judge alicorns on if they have a good design or not, if they do it would be judge very harshly and mean, same thing for non alicorn ocs
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It’s basically a license to violate rule 0.
See, this is what I’m talking about. Downvoting is, by default, interpreted as insulting, attacking, antagonistic or trolling. You’re allowed to have any opinion, as long as it’s positive. If you have a negative opinion, you better explain yourself in the comments, and we better like your explanation based on our arbitrary criteria, or else! Is this how some artists view a significant portion of Derpi users? As a bitter mouthbreather out to bully them for no reason?
It’s breathtakingly asinine.
 
As I said, not everyone abuses it that way. But you show me how I can distinguish “I don’t like this because your line work is jagged” from “lulz I downvoted you” or “you suck because I think you traced my boyfriend’s picture!!!1!!one!11!” or “I don’t like your subject matter but can’t be bothered to filter it or act like a grown-up and pass over it” or “how dare you ship my waifu with your OC!” Unless you actually type a comment, “I don’t like this because your line work is jagged,” you’ve said nothing. How do you even distinguish, “I’m mad because this troll image rustled my jimmies!” from “This isn’t even a decent troll image; OP totally missed the mark.”?
 
If you want to complain that the mods overdo it and and remove comments and images they shouldn’t, on that point I’m with you. But removing an incoherent splat of virtual chimpanzee shit that someone flung on an image, that’s not a problem.
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@Ferrotter  
True story. I may upvote vore pic just because of these amazing mouth details they make.  
But you may have seen some works having a 200+ score without any skills put into it - only specific character and fetish. So, removing downotes won’t ever make scores dependant on quality.
shutter

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That suggestion about the like dislike ratio actually sounds like a pretty decent idea, because regardless of abuse, older images kind of have an unfair advantage over newer images. Then again, you could also counterargue that older images are disadvantaged by being made at a time when the fandom was younger and had fewer resources. (We did not start getting fanmade show-quality vector animation until the end of 2011 but now its pretty common.) It might be irrelevant to our current problem though.
 
From what I read about moderation here, it seems like the crux of the problem is that mods far too often have to combat the shortcomings of the rating system in favor of users’ biases and abuse. Sometimes its hard to tell the difference, so I would assume that the solution optimally would leave the mods to deal with abusers.
 
Here’s my suggestion. This functionality may require a private, mod controlled list of tags that can possibly be met with colorful opinions. (Or maybe the inverse - a list of tags that can’t be met with colorful opinions). Something that exempts tags like ‘solo’ but includes tags of artists, oc’s, mature tags, memes, and so on.
 
Use the vore tag for example. Say, you have a user that doesn’t like vore. What if after a user downvotes three vore pictures in a row, a nice UI popup suggests you to filter out the tag ‘vore’?
 
Just a thought. I don’t come here enough to say I know exactly how things work here so I’m not going to pretend that I do.
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@shutter
 
An interesting concept. As for that last part, I know how you feel; all we’re doing is tossing our respective feedback over this heated situation.
 
Looking at it from their perspective, the mods do have enough on their plate as it is, so I can only imagine where they stand on the whole thing.
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But you show me how I can distinguish “I don’t like this because your line work is jagged” from “lulz I downvoted you” or “you suck because I think you traced my boyfriend’s picture!!!1!!one!11!” or “I don’t like your subject matter but can’t be bothered to filter it or act like a grown-up and pass over it” or “how dare you ship my waifu with your OC!” Unless you actually type a comment, “I don’t like this because your line work is jagged,” you’ve said nothing. How do you even distinguish, “I’m mad because this troll image rustled my jimmies!” from “This isn’t even a decent troll image; OP totally missed the mark.”?
 
That was never the point of the rating system to begin with. It’s a rule of the thumb way to measure the average popularity of a picture among the user base. As long as every user only voted once, the system worked exactly as intended. Complaining about not knowing every single voter’s motivation is meaningless, the system was never meant to tell you that, and if you can’t live without knowing for sure, put a critique request in the commentary and you’re guaranteed to get a response from a significant portion the voters (people like to express their opinions). Demanding to know WHY a person downvoted before you consider their opinion valid (and stacking other hurdles in the way of downvoting), but never giving the heaps of upvotes a second thought, is fairly disingenuous, by the way.
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Most forms of media do not have a downvote. Movies, music, TV, magazines, newspapers, etc. are all judged primarily based on their viewership numbers, ie sales. To the producer, your consumption of that media signifies your approval. If you throw money at it in the course of doing so, so much the better.
 
In these forms of media you don’t have a downvote to cancel out someone else’s approval. You can’t “unbuy” The Life of Pablo because you think Kanye’s a drama queen. You can’t “unwatch” last week’s The Walking Dead because you think it’s getting repetitious. You can’t counter someone else’s Emoji Movie ticket sale because you think the concept is stupid. You can’t anti-subscribe to the New York Post or Washington Post because you think it’s slanted. You can only choose not to contribute to the consumption, and talk about your decision with others. None of those options cancel out someone else’s approval, like a downvote does. Clicking a down button is just lazy, anonymous slacktivism.
 
A downvote on an actual serious attempt at art isn’t useful. The artist doesn’t know why there’s a downvote. Is it the anatomy? Lines? Colors? Composition? Subject matter? Characters? Technique? A combination of issues? Did the downvoter just have a bad day? Do they personally hate you for some reason? Downvoting is basically telling the artist to piss off after they smile and greet you in passing on the street, or yelling over the guy playing sax on the corner. Therefore I fail to see why the downvote is sacrosanct.
 
On the other hand, there needs to be some means of flagging an actual low-quality meme, an excuse-for-starting-shit-masquerading-as-an-image or other cut & paste drama bait shitposts for what they are.
 
For those reasons:
 
o Exclude downvotes from image score on anything with an artist tag, but actively delete shitposts which make use of artist-created images to get around that restriction.  
o Encourage hides, which should have no effect on any score.  
o For non-artist images with downvotes, continue allow them to be passively filtered if their total score exceeds a certain negative threshold.
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As a user who typically remains in the shadows coughlookingatporncough I only downvote art that has met one of the following categories:
 
  • It hasn’t been tagged correctly or at all  
  • I feel it is offensive to everyone (or intentionally offensive)  
  • It is typically low quality (IE the artist put very little effort into the artwork, an “MS Paint Masterpiece” if you will.)
     
    While downvote abuse, or “everyone downvote this because it’s made by X or features Y”, is a serious problem, the fact that a handful of users are abusing it should not make it a talking point for removal. Nor should artists be able to say “Well I don’t like people thinking my artwork is bad, so I’m not going to allow downvotes to be shown on my artwork.” That is encouraging a denial of criticism. If your artwork is consistently scoring negative numbers, the solution is to improve your skills, not put a giant black censor bar over your negative votes.
     
    This concept of “hides” is alright though. I’d like to see that in the future, as there are some images that I can’t filter that I would rather not see.
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the idea of keeping downvotes but making it so they don’t affect the score or do anything like YouTube is terrible. “let’s get rid of downvotes while not getting rid of downvotes!”
Durabiznik

Movies, music, TV, magazines, newspapers, etc. are all judged primarily based on their viewership numbers, ie sales.
 
Yes, a terrible system vulnerable to explosive positive feedback (“a bestseller!!!11”), where your opinion on the subject doesn’t matter - once you viewed it, you’re a part of the advertising. What was your point again?
 
Clicking a down button is just lazy, anonymous slacktivism.
 
Oh, wait. Wait. I need to sort this out. So because there’s no effective means to express a negative opinion on a piece of mainstream media unless you’re a big deal in the social media world, doing so within an ecosystem that ALLOWS you to do so is… lazy, anonymous slacktivism?
 
…okay? I guess?  
Yeah, no, you lost me.
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That’s a fact. You can make research on other works of the same artist but you, of course, won’t.
 
Opinions aren’t facts, my man.  
And the artist’s other works have nothing to do with it.
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People like you who enable the actions of those thin-skinned individuals who’re the main problem
 
For a moment i thought you spoke about individuals who can’t “just hide and forget about” images they don’t like.
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