Feedback on the "Policy Refinement Feedback Thread"

Poll results: On a scale of 0-5 with 0 being "Not at all", do you feel that your feedback was listened to?

0
50.00% 54 votes
1
21.30% 23 votes
It's Complicated.
15.74% 17 votes
3
4.63% 5 votes
4
3.70% 4 votes
2
2.78% 3 votes
5
1.85% 2 votes

Poll ended with 108 votes.

Background Pony #C63B
I am not a mod, i just think it’d be interesting to see what people thought about it since it appears to have run it’s course and i believe it’s one of the first times site staff have done such a thing.  
For the final option, please explain.  
Do bear in mind that this poll will likely be brigaded at some point if not immediately, so don’t take it as gospel.
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I could vote the copout of “It’s complicated” given my position, but 2 is more accurate. I’ll try to get the rules updated later today (current proposal seems workable) and begin working on a process to go through images carefully, but it’s been extremely hard to try to get things all together during this.
Background Pony #B79C
I actually voted 4. I felt like the reasonable feedback was mostly listened to.
 
But there was a lot of unreasonable feedback as well, which was (hopefully) ignored.  
And those people of course would vote 0.
 
Also, people who are damant about having the old rule 0 back without changes would vote 0.
 
And lastly, don’t foget, that this poll won’t really matter, because people who support the Twitter mob and Dilarus would come here soon to vote 0 as well.
Background Pony #C63B
Been enough responses that I can vote without influencing matters.  
Went for ‘complicated’ myself.  
The feedback was definitely heard, but the impression to me is that it was used to try to make the existing agenda more palatable, rather than actually change said agenda.  
Placation of concerns, rather than Accommodation of concerns, if that makes sense.  
It doesn’t feel good, and I’m just plain disappointed for the most part.
Background Pony #B79C
@Boxless
 
To re-frase it in a more civil way,  
I do feel that it might be the last chance to fix things at least to a comfortable degree.
 
If it won’t work out, then, I fear most of the userbase who knows (or will find out later) about the whole situation will react really strongly and never trust this site’s staff again.
Background Pony #8F64
2, maybe? I feel like some of my feedback was listened to, but I don’t think it was of much use and the more important parts seemed less listened to.
 
@Princess Luna  
I very much appreciate how much you engaged with the thread, thank you.  
I understand that you would like to adjust rule #0, but unfortunately I’m not convinced that in the current state you will achieve anything but more shitflinging and that you and your staff’s biases are adjusted correctly for this.
Background Pony #4D96
I voted 1. I can appreciate the patience and time some staff are putting into this, but the polls keep disappointing. The staff seem way to eager to call something discriminatory as soon as is doesn’t align with their bias.
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I voted zero. One might be a bit more fair, because I at least had some questions answered, but overall some of it feels incredibly arbitrary and my dissatisfaction over that has influenced my frustration with this whole mess.
Background Pony #8D2C
@Princess Luna  
It’s obvious that you listened to the feedback.  
The FAQ about “discrimination” is specifially worded so that the images you were called out for leaving up because of political bias aren’t discriminating.  
And that line about being strict is real nice. Tell me, what’s promoting discrimination? Will there be another staff poll with results posted up like the last ones? Or will you just forgo the charade this time and outright delete the Aryanne and Anonfilly stuff even though nothing in your polled images was promoting any hate, discrimination, or racism?  
This is a real bad look with TSP’s chit-chat with Dilarus and makes it pretty obvious that you’re doing what he wants and lying to our faces about it. And just like Derpy’s “undesirables” comment, you were outed as a liar by the same Twitter user you’re sucking up to.
Background Pony #B79C
@Background Pony #8D2C
 
I wouldn’t be so quick with conclusions, without seeing the whole picture, though.
 
We can know for sure only one thing right now, is that Dilarus and his team are capable and willing to go berserk against anyone who doesn’t support their ideas 100%.
 
It doesn’t imply anyone from the site staff actually supporting him. And that conversation, theoretically, could be just TSP trying to postpone Dilarus’s rage for later times.
 
But it doesn’t take away the danger of Dilarus and his team attempting to use force and try to pressure the site to surrender.
Background Pony #8D2C
@Background Pony #B79C  
Nah. He was promising that things would “get better” or whatever the fuck. And we all know what that means from both of those people.  
Nebbie isn’t even the one in charge anyways, iirc. It’s the other admin who said they were. The one who said that they want to remove all of it, along with stuff like foalcon. Just like Dilarus. And also said that channers aren’t welcome on his site.  
And it doesn’t change the fact that the discrimination guidelines changed every time someone pointed out how certain things fit into them. This “strictness” will only apply to “channer scum’s” content and that’s fucking clear at this point. Remember, fucking zebra supremacy doesn’t depict and promote racial supremacy.  
The staff are a fucking joke who have clearly just been riding TSP’s dick and following his ultimatum and hatred for /mlp/ while lying about it.
Background Pony #B79C
The one who said that they want to remove all of it, along with stuff like foalcon.
 
That’s not what they said. I was there.
 
They even clarified their opinion.
 
In short, they said that they understand that their personal views aren’t important here, because what makes Derpibooru a unique site people would want to visit is the fact it had all those arts over the past years.
 
And that administrator said they understand that it’s wrong to remove any big groups of arts, both at this point OR in the future, as well.
 
Both of the current administrators, Luna and Celestia, made it clear that their only goal is to enforce the Rule 0 better by revising it, because some forbidden things slipped in, with the old revision of the Rule 0, because it wasn’t worded well enough to be enforced at all times.
 
Their actual goal is to remove obvious propagandas and racism / discrimination / hate that targets real people.
 
Nothing more.
 
Everything else is your own illusions you created either from misunderstanding or not reading everything the new administrators ever said.
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@Background Pony #8D2C  
The staff aren’t a monolith, but I have to say I’m incredibly disappointed that it’s pretty much just Nebbie talking to the community about these terrible changes. If you’re going to vote for something that affects all of us, at least have the cajones to defend your votes and don’t hang him out to dry over it.
Background Pony #7D18
@Background Pony #B79C  
Not only what @Background Pony #8D2C said, but the staff themselves have admitted they won’t grandfather in old images. They said, in their own words “We’re going to remove them slowly so as not to create a fuss”. That, more than a lot of the other posts made by staff, tells you what their goal is.
Background Pony #8D2C
@Background Pony #B79C  
As an example, if I said that I’d kill someone if I could, does that mean that I don’t want to just because I can’t? The admin has a stated desire to have it removed. Whether he can or not is irrelevant.  
And if they’re only removed images that promote hate or are actual propaganda, then literally none of the images they singled out will be removed. And I highly doubt that’s what’s going to happen.
 
@Frosku  
I don’t see anyone growing a pair and saying that they’re against the changes, do you?
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