Let's talk about filters

Ponyweed

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I realize the popular filters thing is derped and will be replaced. But what I would suggest is that the All Images filter be something that you go to the filters page to turn on. (or add as a menu item on the main page) same as other major art sites… at least for non-logged-in users.
 
i.e. the filters button could appear as a button titled Content Filters for anons, click on it, you get the filters page, but it has a clickthrough link to turn on the All Images menu item in the top bar.
 
(on the filters page – above the existing description of the All Images Filter one could put a radio button that says “Display All Images Filter in menu barincludes NSFW content – clicking on this or the existing “use this filter” link would have the same effect)
 
(of both adding All Images to the top menu bar and switching to it)
 
I assume there more than a few ponies on Derpibooru who are not really into clop / are interested in it remaining a predominantly SFW site? As it has been, with filters, not censorship… I always figure that the admin staff presumably includes some ponies who are not all that into clop that care about ensuring that a casual viewing of derpibooru explicit content is more than one accidental click away… If this were not the big, all inclusive, default pony image site, caring about the site policy of just another pony board would not be an issue… but it’s not a legal thing (unless it runs you afoul of the UK’s new draconian kid-friendly internet law) but I do think there’s an issue of respecting everypony in the fandom and projecting a positive vibe… This site does not banish explicit content but that does not mean that the new filters system should actively highlight it, either.
 
I ask because I’d love to upload some art of my own to derpibooru but… if it’s not a site that maintains a distinction (at the functionality level) between explicit and non-explicit content then I’ll have to find somewhere else to host it so I can send people links to it without them assuming that it’s related to whatever explicit content that’s a click away on the same page.
 
I have no problem with the Default filters, btw. In fact my problem is precisely that bronibooru doesn’t provide a true SFW alternative because they go wayyy too far in the opposite direction.
 
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@Ponyweed  
We do not plan to remove the “All Filters” option from the list. What we will most likely have is a pop-up or similar when it’s clicked asking if the user is sure they actually meant to click that / are of age.
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Whether this is about the filter change or not but when I click on a spoiler tag it doesn’t show the thumbnails unspoilered on that page.
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Lord and Saviour
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Hi Clover! Have you made a decision on an “e for everyone” kind of global? I know you’re making a search function, but there wont be one in the mean time, without a new global filter.
 
There’s a TV-Y preset which will do the job for now; we’ll probably have another think about what ‘default’ should look like now it’s easier to flip filters.
 
Anons no longer see the dropdown menu on every page but instead can go to the filters page to switch - there’s a nice big notice there about NSFW content.
 
There’s also now a search form for filters to replace popular filters.
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I notice that the filter does not like tags with 0 pics associated with it. So can someone just un-tag every pic with a particular tag, then tag them back, and it’ll remove it from every filter?
Background Pony #F05E
For the current description of the All image filter
 
This filter won’t filter anything out at all - it’s Derpibooru unfiltered.
 
Instead of “it’s dp unfiltered” which is just repeating what is said right before that, I suggest changing it to “INCLUDING NOT-SAFE-FOR-WORK CONTENT”, in caps to make sure people see it. In case, you know, people don’t read the big wall of text above.
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@Background Pony
 
Or better yet, I suggest you travel to the homes of every single person that has ever visited this website, sit down with them, and calmly explain every possible image combination that could happen so they fully understand. Give them a quiz afterwords, just to be sure.
 
Then, what about people that can’t read? There should be symbols that let people know what’s going to happen, just in case. Like a silhouette of a dong or something.
DartTimeTime

@Background Pony
 
I don’t see the point in being butt hurt about other people not wanting to see the same things you do. People have different tastes in media, you must accept this. As long as they’re not trying to force you to view media you don’t like, there isn’t an issue.
 
There are now filters for seeing everything, seeing just NSFW stuff, and seeing just SFW stuff. Take your pick and be happy.
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@DartTimeTime
 
No, it is more a matter of the mods and admins working hard to provide people with everything they ask for and it never being good enough. They have big, easy to read text above the filter option that very clearly states that changing the filters may result in seeing nsfw images. To click “all images” clearly falls under that. It literally says unfiltered.
 
It is not about what people want to see. It is about people getting what they want and then still whining for no reason. It is like you ask for a burger and they bring you one with everything. You then say, well, I don’t like pickles and mustard. They make your burger again without pickles and mustard. Then you say “Well, that is pretty good but I don’t really like sesame seed buns. It’s almost perfect but could I get a bun without the seeds?” So then they give you the bun you want.
 
Finally, you’re about to take a bite and then you say “Oh, well, I actually don’t like my lettuce leafs to be quite this large. Could you shred them for me?”
 
At some point you deserve to have your food spit in.
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@Background Pony  
Dude, calm down. I suggested they replacing a few words to emphasize the point of “unfiltered”, which I don’t imagine taking more than a minute to do, and I already did that in a manner as far away as whining as I possibly could. There are kids on this site, and that is just a measure to make sure that they know what they are in for if they use “all images”.
DartTimeTime

@Background Pony
 
Fair point, fair point. I misunderstood you, my bad. This sort of thing breeds butthurt like farmers breed cows. Your point is a good one, and I can see where it could be tiresome.
 
On the other hand, this tread is about that very thing. I could understand the burger thing at a normal restaurant, but if it’s a restaurant that’s trying to make the perfect burger recipe, then it would be a different story.
Roranicus

Anons no longer see the dropdown menu on every page but instead can go to the filters page to switch - there’s a nice big notice there about NSFW content.
 
I don’t like this change. 90% of the time when I visit the site I don’t bother signing up as I prefer browsing anonymously. I also delete cookies after every session. The one thing I loved about the change was being able to pick the filter I want from a dropdown menu rather then having to visit a separate page. The ability to switch quickly from one filter to another was appreciated too, as I might be looking for gore to freak out my friends and later be looking for more “cutesy” art.
 
As the stats seem to show that a strong majority of users prefer seeing all the clop and gore content, I believe a simple warning next to the “all image” filter would do the job. Maybe put it last in the list so new users don’t click it by mistake.
 
Just speaking out for the anons and lurkers who might not enjoy posting or might not even have an account. If it’s not too much trouble, please bring back the dropdown menu for us. Also, good work on this and other features, and overall listening to the community.
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Lord and Saviour
As the stats seem to show that a strong majority of users prefer seeing all the clop and gore content, I believe a simple warning next to the “all image” filter would do the job. Maybe put it last in the list so new users don’t click it by mistake.
Just speaking out for the anons and lurkers who might not enjoy posting or might not even have an account. If it’s not too much trouble, please bring back the dropdown menu for us. Also, good work on this and other features, and overall listening to the community.
 
The explicit vs safe divide is a tricky one to measure but it’s certainly not the majority browsing for the porn.
 
There’s no way to please everyone with this sort of system, and you’re going to have to do a click-through operation of some sort to access NSFW filters either way if you’re a new user (or deleting cookies).
 
This approach seemed to us to be the best balance - it’s still way more convenient than signing up an account, but maintains a fairly safe entry to the site for most users.
 
We may consider bringing the menu back to users who have gone through and selected a filter that is not the default, but you’re still going to have an extra click-through if you’re deleting cookies.
 
It’s worth noting that if you flip back and forth frequently between a couple of filters, you can always bookmark the “Use this filter” links.
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Will episode spoilers be added to users’ Legacy Filters when the time comes or do they have to add them themselves?
At present we do not intend to directly modify any user’s personal filters. Maintaining them is entirely the responsibility of the user that owns them. What we may be considering is filter inheritance or the ability to have multiple filters concurrently active - meaning that you could have a site-maintained spoiler filter, for instance, which just spoilered content from new episodes as appropriate, working at the same time as your regular personal filter. However, this is again a lot more development effort and time so even if we do decide we want to implement it I can’t make any estimate on when you might see something like it.
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