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Poll on hiding exploitable memes

Grieffon
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Memes not hidden by default  
  • Pro: none  
  • Con: May drive new users away
     
    Memes hidden by default  
  • Pro: Make derpibooru less like memebooru, make sure new users don’t just leave immediately  
  • Con: users have to spend 10 seconds allowing meme tag for one time.
Background Pony #33BB
I’m not sure. My gripe is that some of the ‘forced’ memes are pretty good, and some are just AWFUL.
Sjogre
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@RIG  
I have nothing filtered or hidden right now, and I’m always vaguely surprised that anyone adds things to the filtered list, which is huge by default. I honestly don’t understand why someone would willingly hide content from themselves. It isn’t like the images are being shot into their brain; they’re just thumbnails.
 
@Grieffon  
What if the new user likes the memes?
 
Besides, meme floods are a rarity, and rarely last more than few hours. It’s not really that big a deal for someone that just shows up on a random day. And if they’re aren’t going to look around the site in the first place, it’s unlikely that they’d stay regardless of what was on the front page. A first time user is more likely to just type something into the search bar than to directly go through the image pages, anyway.
 
I’d honestly say that the Activity page is the best page for new users, as it’s the one that actually tries to explain anything.
RIG
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Wallet After Summer Sale -
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
Thread Starter - Five Nights at Freddy's thread
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - 10+ uploads with over 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012
Fine Arts - Two hundred uploads with a score of over a hundred (Safe/Suggestive)

The Anti-Normies
>huge by default  
only 4 things are hidden by default, for you that is huge?  
and you can’t speak for someone else way of taking a situation other than yours
Sjogre
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@RIG  
That’s twice as many as I would spoiler, and eight things that I wouldn’t filter at all. Twelve, compared to none, is a pretty damn long list.
 
I don’t mind that the site filters some things, especially since I can undo it. I do mind that people are looking at a rather generous filter list and are complaining that it doesn’t already contain everything that annoys them ten years before they ever get on the site.
RIG
Preenhub - We all know what you were up to this evening~
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
Thread Starter - Five Nights at Freddy's thread
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - 10+ uploads with over 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012
Fine Arts - Two hundred uploads with a score of over a hundred (Safe/Suggestive)

The Anti-Normies
filter the memes and add a permanent notice in the main page saying “BTW, we do have meme pics, they are just hidden, you change your settings to make them visible.”
Background Pony #A339
There is a problem with your booru when memes take entire pages of your content.
 
So no, this is not a filter issue, but more of a content regulation issue.
JP
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Non-Fungible Trixie -
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
Fine Arts - Two hundred uploads with a score of over a hundred (Safe/Suggestive)
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Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
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@Sjogre  
Sure. We can remove the filtering completely. But then these things would have to be DELETED from Derpibooru and everyone who uploads them would have to be BANNED, because I do not want to see this content:
 
  • fluffy ponies  
  • gore  
  • suicide  
  • “chickun”
     
    And many others.
     
    So, if YOU don’t want to filter, then don’t. Just don’t act cocky and come to say to my face that I cannot hide things I don’t want to see.
     
    >”I honestly don’t understand why someone would willingly hide content from themselves.”
     
    In other words: “I don’t understand why all people aren’t exactly like I am.”
     
    So how’s it going to be? Either BAN certain content completely, or let people hide things they don’t want to see.
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Thread Starter - Report site bugs here
A Really Hyper Artist - 500+ images under their artist tag
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Somehow Omnipresent?
It’s not really mentioned anywhere, but this thing will probably run until next Monday or Tuesday. A full week and weekend should be enough to gather enough data, though we can extend it if proven otherwise.
 
Also to anyone saying their vote doesn’t matter for one reason or another, you’d be surprised by how results are looking right now. And a reminder that just because the staff makes a poll about a topic doesn’t mean the result is fixed in favour of what we want, or even that the staff unanimously agrees on it.
Sjogre
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@JP  
Filter away. I never said that you couldn’t or shouldn’t, even if I wouldn’t. Just don’t do it for other people.
 
I’d rather than the filters were all off by default, but it’s not the end of the world that they’re on.
 
But then these things would have to be DELETED from Derpibooru and everyone who uploads them would have to be BANNED, because I do not want to see
 
Why would your preferences dictate what gets banned?
 
I wouldn’t want any content banned completely, even if it’s something that I hate, so I’m not sure where that comment comes from.
 
In other words: “I don’t understand why all people aren’t exactly like I am.”
 
This isn’t about being similar to someone, this is about not forcing others to be like you. I don’t like the concept of choices for you being made by others. By default, you should have everything available to choose what you do or do not to see.
 
Yes, having everything made visible is a choice made by someone else, but it’s a more informative choice than having a blindfold tied over your eyes.
D50
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

I wasn’t even aware that we had a “chikun” problem recently. I had to check my filters, and, sure enough, “chikun” was a tag I most likely filtered MONTHS ago.
 
A lot of memes I enjoy, and the ones I especially like I’ll add to. It’s sort of like part of the game. If certain users think derpibooru shouldn’t be a game, they’re more than welcome to USE FILTERS. That’s what I do when I come across memes I find completely unfunny or having practically no potential. Since people tend to have differing senses of humor, that’s pretty much the best way to approach this.
 
As for making memes hidden on default… I’d rather not, but I’m not entirely against it either. I’d suggest a short period where it’s spoilered by default first before switching to hidden by default. It’s easy to overlook the banner at the top of the page, but suddenly seeing spoilers on my favs and upvotes sends a signal to me that I should immediately check on my tag settings.
 
The downside either way is that new users who might actually enjoy the exploitable meme content wouldn’t know right away that it’s there. On the other hand, it didn’t take me TOO long to learn about explicit images existing and needing to be unhidden, I guess.
 
Personally I think drama pics that offer nothing but to incite comment wars are far more toxic and deserving of being hidden by default. But to be fair, I’ve filtered out what seems to be the reason this subject is up for discussion in the first place, and I don’t think I want to see just how bad it really is.
JP
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Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
Fine Arts - Two hundred uploads with a score of over a hundred (Safe/Suggestive)
Kinship Through Differences - Celebrated the 11th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Verified Pegasus - Show us your gorgeous wings!
Preenhub - We all know what you were up to this evening~
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Ten years of changes - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of MLP:FiM!

I miss the show so much
@Sjogre  
>I’d rather than the filters were all off by default  
Keep the target audience in mind. Derpi isn’t completely safe by default, but it’s mostly safe. There’s a reason why things are hidden by default. And to me, MLP is an escape valve: cute ponies without worries of the real world. I don’t want to see violence or gore in that. Ever.
 
Google has safe mode that’s enabled by default. So has more or less every search engine. Almost every image gallery/booru/chan/whatever hides gore, violence and sex by default and you have to register to see any of that stuff.
 
If the first image I saw on Derpi had been gore, I would have walked away, cursing that “Eco drove us to some fucking Russian gore site”. But it wasn’t, because it was hidden.
 
>Why would your preferences dictate what gets banned?  
It’s the same thing when you think everything should be visible by default. Now you’re forcing your opinion on others. Hiding by default is also forcing someone’s opinion on others, but it’s only sensible thing that can be done. Normal people don’t want to see violence and such unless they intentionally go looking for it.
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@Sjogre  
Now imagine an unregistered user wanting to search for a scootaloo image. He just got here and doesn’t know tags that well, but he can figure out to type in Scootaloo and press Enter.
 
logged off right now, you get this http://derpy-hoov.es/search?utf8=✓&sbq=sl&commit=Go
 
The first page is 13 chikun images, 2 screencaps. No art. the second page is 15 chikun. The third page is 15 chikun. The fourth page is 15 chikun.
 
This happens every few days with something or another.
 
A user that gets that kind of results is a user that is not coming back. If they’re actually looking for meme images, chances are they’ll notice the “X tags hidden” notice and see what’s that about.
 
Content that is largely seen as offensive, annoying, mature, etc. should be opt-in, not opt-out.
Background Pony #A339
@Sjogre
 
You don’t seem to grasp the concept that there are people who don’t expect to see pony porn/foalcon/gore when looking for my little pony stuff. Is pretty reasonable to respect people’s sensibilities. Also it can scare away more users by having no filters than the users it can scare away by having filters.
 
Do you get it now?
 
Having all the filters off by default is so utterly ridiculous, that is baffling that you dare to even mention it.
 
Also @JP already pointed out the irony of this statement: “Why would your preferences dictate what gets banned?”
 
Now, the reason why the mods are trying to do this with memes, is similar to the reason of why other stuff is filtered.
 
When looking for mlp stuff, there are people that don’t expect to see content that:  
-lacks artistic merit  
-contains obligatory ponies  
-extremely repetitive
 
Which is what most memes fall under and has become a problem because of the absurd amount memes that we have now, and frankly, given the characteristics mentioned above and nature of this kind of content, memes should really be given a different treatment.
Sjogre
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@JP  
Derpi isn’t completely safe by default, but it’s mostly safe.
 
I am well aware that my preference is impractical, at best. As I said, we don’t all get our wishes.
 
If you don’t like my preference, good. Replace it with your own. But only you get to decide what to replace it with, not anyone else. Not some people that you don’t know in a discussion that you weren’t a part of.
 
Hiding by default is also forcing someone’s opinion on others, but it’s only sensible thing that can be done.
 
Hiding something is never the right choice. I’ll admit that spoiling the porn and gore is only practical, but even then I don’t like preventing people from seeing everything, even for as long as it takes to make it visible. Aside from resulting in ignorance of some of the content of the site, it feels both dishonest and patronizing.
 
Yes, even to children. Especially towards children.
 
@Background Pony  
Given that I first came to a pony image board from a list of pony meme pictures, I’d be surprised if that wasn’t expected. Actually, I’d be surprised if people didn’t come looking for it.
JP
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
Fine Arts - Two hundred uploads with a score of over a hundred (Safe/Suggestive)
Kinship Through Differences - Celebrated the 11th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Verified Pegasus - Show us your gorgeous wings!
Preenhub - We all know what you were up to this evening~
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Ten years of changes - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of MLP:FiM!

I miss the show so much
@Sjogre  
“But only you get to decide what to replace it with, not anyone else. Not some people that you don’t know in a discussion that you weren’t a part of.”
 
Not just me, but everyone. I don’t want to see gore, so because it no longer can be hidden (you said: “And I’d rather that filters were removed entirely”), I’d love to have it deleted. Those who don’t like R34 want all porn be gone. Anti-shippers (whether they’re serious, or just want attention like the DA stamp maker) want shipping gone. What about the mods? Do you think TSP really likes everything he has to wade through daily? And so on. Without filters, either there’d be very little content left (because so much would be banned), or Derpi would slowly become the marriage of /b/ and /mlp/: a cesspool where everything goes. Even 4Chan has spoilering.
 
Of course nobody coming here has the right to demand that content they don’t like have to be removed. But the filters give them that power: the power to make unwanted content go away. That’s where the defaults come into play: they are quite sensible. Outright violence and porn is hidden and questionable/suggestive are spoilered and they tell new visitors “yeah, we’ve got that too, but as you can see, you don’t have to look at it”. Spoilering memes/etc. tells them “yeah, we got some of this too, but we’ve spoilered it because it’s not always very high-quality”.
 
“Hiding something is never the right choice.”  
Only a Sith deals with absolutes.
 
Sorry about that. Now, would you show Saving Private Ryan to your (hypothetical) four-year old kid? Or Anal Orgies 5? Would you let him play, say, Brutal Doom?
 
 
Generalization is bad, but I’m going to do it anyway and say again that most people don’t want to see violence. I am fine with violence if I’m expecting it. I am fine with gore (up to a point) if I’m expecting it. I’m sure those applies to almost everyone. I am not expecting violence or gore when I watch ponies. Cartoon violence is okay because it’s done for laughs (and this is a kid’s cartoon we’re talking about, not a cynical anime). The comics have it. Fan works have it (despite of them being usually very serious). Certain fan works, like Cupcakes (ugh) is not cartoon violence anymore, it is gore.
 
Hiding certain things by default is okay, because you can make them visible. But if all content is visible by default, then those who don’t want to see certain things aren’t going to stick around to hide them, they go elsewhere. And I’m not on a high horse here: I don’t hide everytihng Derpi hides by default; I’ve unhidden some things (like explicit) because I have no problem with them. I have grimdark visible, because I noticed most images tagged “grimdark” aren’t neither grim nor dark. But gore (grotesque) stays hidden. If the filters didn’t exist, I wouldn’t be here right now.
 
And this is were I’m goinh to stop writing. I’m tired and I don’t know how else Icould explain this to you. If you still don’t get it, that’s too bad.
Shooting Dust

I thinking hiding materials that aren’t NSFW by default would be a mistake. Yes, some new comers might find a glut of meme pictures annoying, but others might find them funny. I like some of the memes we’ve had on here. And others I haven’t. But I can personally filter things out without hiding content from everybody else.
 
Honestly I think the problem here isn’t the kind of images that are allowed to be uploaded, but the fact that upload spamming is apparently possible. It may be a better idea to put limits on how many images can be uploaded at once, with something like a period of time you have to wait between uploads, putting an upload limit per day, something along those lines.
Carcer
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A large part of this problem is that we have been hoping to get around to the implementation of a better filtering system that doesn’t require logging in so that unregistered users can have filter settings stored in their cookies, a filtering system that’s easy to edit rather than the unwieldy thing it is now so adding or removing items from your filters is trivial, and even filter presets so that you can set up different filter configurations and swap between them easily as and when you feel the need, but unfortunately dev time is hilariously limited. This is a hacky, mid-term solution to a specific problem and it along with many other of our default filter settings would be unlikely to survive the intended improvements to that system (or at the very least it’d be trivial for you to click “nope, show me everything” whether you’re logged in or not).
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