Rule #0 Policy Refinement Feedback Thread

and btw. by this i mean that by the current polling results and the interpretation of rule #0, they have to go.  
It is not just “racially-charged”, it is the very core of the picture, because they are redrawn BLACKED pictures.  
That whole fetish is all about racial superiority / inferiority.

@Background Pony #F329
 
I’m talking about the sub/dom fetish, where NO MATTER WHAT RACE creatures are, they simply are into dom/sub sexual relationship.
 
One creature might happen to be Zebra. It doesn’t mean anything by itself!
 
It doesn’t mean that it’s about “Zebra Supremacy” at all in that case.
 
But I suspect if many people see an art where a zebra dominates some other pony, they will just tag it as “zebra supremacy” without thinking about other possible aspects.
 
And I don’t like it.
 
All sub/dom fetishes that simply happen to involve zebras, shouldn’t be banned, just because some might happen to be promoting some “zebra supremacy”.
 
Only those that obviously try to promote the black race supremacy should be banned.  
Not very single sub/dom art.

@Boxless  
That’s fair i suppose, although you’d have to examine the pictures to see if it was racially motivated or simply because the person wanted to draw a zebra, fun for whoever gets that job.

@Background Pony #5C8B  
you don’t seriously try to tell us that BLACKED porn isn’t all about race?  
We are talking about drawings that are direct copies from those. It is not just some generic BDSM pic where the dom happens to coincidentally be another species. It is the very core of the picture.  
BDSM has a minor role in those pics, BLACKED is about racial superiority.

@Background Pony #F329  
Looking at a few pages, I’m not seeing anything that looks to be actually saying to be racist, just a lot of characters having stripes put on them to indicate sexual submission to zebras and a lot of porn with said submission.
 
@Background Pony #B2FF  
Not a problem as long as it’s not saying to be racist and isn’t targeted harassment (I recall an image of Molestia raping PinkiePony deleted for this reason in the past, by the way).
 
@Background Pony #5C8B  
It being a fetish is not saying to actually be like that in real life.

@Background Pony #F329
 
Exactly!
 
Someone might like Zecora and ship her with somepony, and then draw a picture like this:
 
>>1327378
 
And it will be wrong for such arts to be accidentally banned.

oh god,  
now please look at your polls and apply that logic to the pics that you voted out.
 
You really can’t be helped.

@Background Pony #5A71
 
Well, that voiting happened before the most recent revisions of Rule 0, to be fair.
 
And the final rule (and its clarification in FAQ) is not ready yet, and after theose things are ready, a new voting would have different results.
 
Also, some people might interpret the rule’s point in a slightly different way, which could affect it.

@Princess Luna  

 
@Background Pony #5C8B  
The entire point of that contention is why “zebradom” (regular dom/sub where dom is a zebra) and “zebra supremacy” (striped and the like) tags were split.

@Princess Luna  

 
What the fuck am i reading.
 
“I’m not seeing anything that looks to be actually saying to be racist, just a lot of characters having marks put on them to indicate sexual submission to a master race and a lot of porn with said submission.”

@Background Pony #F329  
It is just depicting that submission, not advocating for it.

@Princess Luna  
You’re beyond help.

Lol now we are on the way to discussing if fetishes should be banned. Discussing raceplay as if it isn’t a kink. A lot of people called this, and now we are well on the way to people arguing to ban what they dislike.  
We are now in the kinkshaming era of derpibooru.

I honestly never thought that i would one day have to argue about whenever BLACKED porn is racially charged or if it’s just a coincidence that there is always one specific superior race.

@Background Pony #5A71  
Yep, and it’s officially ridiculous. We are now long departed from the universe of rationality.

@Background Pony #5A71  
Do realize the polling was done before the current proposal wording was made; I think only Poll 1’s results are really valid under the current wording.

@aperture_tech  
I’m doing it to try and get some consistency, my preference is very much “Take the rules back a few months.” but i’’m at least attempting a compromise.  
I just wish the mods were doing the same instead of just being blatantly dishonest and biased.

@Princess Luna
 
Am I correct with the following conclusions I got below in this comment, while answering to Background Pony #F329 here?
 
@Background Pony #F329
 
Zebra and Pony aren’t races. It’s species.
 
And since our human world doesn’t have more than one sapient creature covered by our laws, those arts cannot be seen as racism at all.
 
The closest thing to “races” for ponies would be unicorns / pegasi / earth ponies.
 
But even that isn’t true, because those couldn’t be substituted to our human races. They could be closer to “a class discrimination” at most.
 
They have coat colors, which don’t correspond to our human world’s skin colors at all.  
But discriminating by the coat color would be similar to discriminating by skin color, or racism.

@Background Pony #5C8B  
Sophistry, the species are treated as races, ergo racism.

@Background Pony #F329  
I know, and I understand what you are doing. Now we are splitting hairs on whether fictional characters are equivalent to real world races. The staff has put themselves between a rock and a hard place. There really is no more correct answer. The best answer is returning to the rules that existed at the start of the year, imo. It won’t repair the damage, but it could prevent worsening the damage already done.

@Background Pony #F329  
The intention here is to mostly go back a few months, but with clearer rules so we don’t miss things.
 
@Background Pony #5C8B  
I’m pretty sure coat color discrimination would be an obvious stand-in for real life racism, and so could be a problem if the image appears to actually be a racism mouthpiece.

@Background Pony #5C8B  
Nice, so you argue that no aryanne zigger drawing or aryanne-gasing-griffins drawing should ever get banned, because its not representing races.  
I agree, out of different reasons, but i agree.