Culture, Biology, and Dietary Headcanons

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That does make a lot of sense. I can picture some ponies shunning grass for sanitary reasons or because of social reasons like you brought up. But I’m sure others wouldn’t mind, especially those that might be struggling with money.
 
Also that picture was one of the things that gave me the idea to begin with so I’m glad you brought it up.
 
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All ponies graze. Even the Princesses have been known to graze.
I somehow forgot grazing existed. That might be fun to write. Especially with a carnivore’s opinion.
Not saying it would happen, but for some reason I just imagined that a carnivore watching them do that would have a moment where they mentally search the group for the one easiest to separate from the herd and take down.
 
Boy would that be an awkward conversation.
 
 
@mjangelvortex  
Speaking of, I think it would be kind of funny if a griffon or a dragon were to give a pony they liked flowers only for the pony to eat them.
You know, there is an old Far Side comic with that exact situation, only with a sheep and a wolf.
 
 
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Maybe ponies give flowers they know the otter one likes the taste of as they’re more of a snack offering than a gift? :P
I could see that being the case. Heck, if we go as far back as season one’s “The Ticket Master”, Twilight even requested a specific flowery treat.  
Twilight Sparkle: “I would love a daffodil and daisy sandwich.”
That said, I wonder if there mightn’t be some stigma against habitual grazing? Perhaps the fact that it can serve as a last resource when you can’t afford anything else might lead to it being seen as something only really poor people do. Of course, I could definitely see ponies like Applejack not caring very much about this sort of thing – food is food, who cares what some stuck-up Canterlot nobles think? – or for that matter the Princesses also being fine with being know to graze. It’s not like ponies are going to start looking down on them for it, really.
By contrast, someone more concerned with societal standards and propriety like Rarity is might be less interested in the whole affair.
Intriguing… and it would fit in with some of what we’ve seen with the class divisions and the somewhat superiority complex types that seem to (mostly) populate the nobility of Canterlot. Although I could also see it more as a situation where the nobility do eat grass, just not any old variety growing out of the ground. As is typical of the upper crust, they need their grass served still growing out of a perfectly cut square of sod, flown in by Pegasi from mostly inaccessible hilltops boasting fresh air, good sun, mountain water, and a soil pH right in the 5.5 to 7.0 range best suited for plant life.
 
On the poorer side of things, the social stigma thing always sends my brain weird places. I had a brief mental image of a downtrodden mare and her foal ashamedly eating grass in the park, trying not to meet the gaze of anyone who might be watching them. That said, it might not be that bad. Where I live you can (in the summertime) find places where berries grow naturally, and I know people who go out and pick them for jelly and other such things, so a little public grass might just be an innocuous thing some ponies do.
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It should be impossible for ponies to starve. Worse case scenario just munch your lawn.
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That always struck me as the biggest disadvantage of cloud settlements. They’d be horribly dependent on their downstairs neighbors for food and resources, since they couldn’t really get any themselves. This likely isn’t an issue for modern cloud cities like Cloudsdale, but back before Equestrian times it would likely have been a serious matter. A bit like real-life Las Vegas in the middle of the Nevada desert, in a sense – a city utterly dependent on outside shipments of necessities to keep itself going.
 
On the other hand, they’d be wonderfully defensible. And mobile, too!
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I like the idea of Pegasi flying to get food from plants that are in high off places like shrubs or moss on a mountain or really tall tress. But yeah, they probably do need a lot of help from others for food now that you brought that up.
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That always struck me as the biggest disadvantage of cloud settlements. They’d be horribly dependent on their downstairs neighbors for food and resources, since they couldn’t really get any themselves. This likely isn’t an issue for modern cloud cities like Cloudsdale, but back before Equestrian times it would likely have been a serious matter. A bit like real-life Las Vegas in the middle of the Nevada desert, in a sense – a city utterly dependent on outside shipments of necessities to keep itself going.
On the other hand, they’d be wonderfully defensible. And mobile, too!
I’m pretty sure you could make the argument that it’s canon to the show too. After all, the holiday play they performed pretty much said that prior to the founding of Equestria, the earth ponies grew food for the other two tribes. And considering the pegasi were depicted exclusively as warriors, they probably weren’t doing much farming of their own.
 
Actually, I wonder if that adds some darker context to the episode “Hurricane Fluttershy”. Perhaps that whole process they use to get water dates back to a time where they’d park their cloud fortress (a city unreachable by lowly earth ponies) right over an earth pony village, swoop in, and take whatever water or supplies they needed. Not like the earth ponies can just not grow the food they need themselves after all.
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It’s definately canon. That headcanon of yours regarding the water sounds pretty horrifying (I like it though).
You definitely get the impression things weren’t all sunshine and rainbows back then. And that’s from a version of events you can reasonably imagine was toned down a bit to make for a nice, safe holiday play. Probably no one wanted the version that included the story of how Commander Hurricane locked the earth pony foals in a barn and burned it down as a lesson about insolence to one’s superiors.
 
Well, not really, but you get the idea.
 
in any case, the earth ponies really got the short end of the stick pre-Equestria. I mean the play literally says that the pegasi demand food from them in exchange for good weather, and the unicorns demand food for raising and lowering the sun. And both of those groups are visibly better off than the earth pony tribe is. I don’t think it’s a stretch at all to imagine they were the lowest class of society at that time, and probably at the mercy of any large group of the other two. Also, kind of makes you wonder about Star Swirl, since his apprentice is alive at the end of that era. Did he grow up with that kind of segregated society? It might explain a lot about how he comes across when we finally meet him.
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A pegasus city could extort food by parking themselves over an earth pony city and not letting it rain. It’s not like earth ponies can just move their farms, so they’d have to give in to providing “rain protection fees”. (Pegasi WOULD ensure proper weather in return, but it’d still be extortion - especially if the city had ground-based pegasi of its own.)
 
I like to think that you CAN grow stuff on clouds - it is one of my big sorrows/missed opportunities that the cloud lands never got expanded on in more detail on the show, but I personally believe that most things on the ground have a cloudland equivalent. Pegasi children go sledging on clouds all year around (more in the winter when the factories produce cheap snow to enrich the experience, though they can borrow some anytime), we’ve already seen rainbow waterfalls, and yes, some magic plants that specifically take root in clouds and are watered by rainbows would in fact exist. Not in such richness as in soil, and not many pegasi would willingly take on farming as a career, but if a pegasus city wants to cut itself off of the ground completely, it might be possible.
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Sounds pretty creative and I have seen some fanart with a Pegasus Applejack growing Cloud Apples so other people seem to like that idea too.
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Ugh I need to go back and re read the earlier pages but did you guys reach a consensus on pony/horses being herbivores or omnivores?
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I don’t recall any meat, per se, being eaten on the show. Mostly it’s stand-ins like the hayburgers and carrot dogs.
 
That said, when Rarity was going on her rampage in “Inspiration Manifestation” and redecorated the foals’ party, the food that replaced the party snacks included what looked like some shrimp canapés. So apparently they do eat a bit of seafood from time to time.
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I could’ve sworn there was another scene that showed a whole roasted chicken on a feast table, I think it was at the GGG but I can’t find it now.
 
Eating meat is a weird topic that’s seldom actually discussed in fics and such. Usually in the darker, edgier fics eating ponies that eat meat may be mentioned, and it may be seen as taboo or something.
 
Honestly I’d rather if fics just don’t touch on the subject, the idea of ponies eating other creatures when everything in Equestria pretty much has sapience is really odd, especially since they’re not even near the top of the food chain so it’s kinda hypocritical.
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GGG?
 
I guess the idea didn’t bother me all too much since more than half of the Mane 6 have pets are carnivores and I pictured other creatures in the show and comics like Griffons and Kelpies eating meat too.
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Oh. Huh. Well then.
 
I suppose that that makes sense. Referring waaaaay back to my entries in the copy-pasted posts at the beginning of the thread, most animals can digest meat, if not necessarily very efficiently, and a lot of herbivorous animals have been recorded doing so. I would think ponies should be able to digest meat, especially very well-cooked or processed meat, if they had to.
 
So, trying to work in evidence from the show… I imagine there’s probably some cultural stigma against it – not so much an actual taboo so much as a general avoidance of the concept. Most ponies, I think, wouldn’t have any real issue with occasional eating of meat-based foods, but habitual meat-eating is probably rare and more than a bit eyebrow-raising. Maybe it’s… I don’t know, like eating horse or dog meat in western culture – it’s not strictly forbidden, as such, and no-one is going to tar and feather you if you do it now and again, but most people avoid it, and habitual consumption of horse or dog is going to raise a lot of eyebrows.
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I read a cute fic once where a pony ate meat some anthro lizard dude fed her (he was being hospitable) and she liked the taste so she spends the rest of the story trying to develop a veggie burger with a meaty taste and ends up opening a restaurant. And basically the story was written as a showcase of how the author tried different methods of making a veggie burger. *Order Up!
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Also I feel like where a pony lives might affect their meat consumption options as well. At least when it comes to seafood. Of course I am going with the very common trope that, even in stories filled with talking animals, fish usually lack sapience.
 
Ponies on the coast or live on an island, it could possibly be a staple of their diet. Like in my headcanon I’ve got a community of ponies that for generations has lived on an island. They are basically pacific islanders and for most of their existence worshiped the Kelpies as gods. They eat fish like kelpies do and also rabbits and birds. Over the thousand or so years living on this island (and maybe some magic to help things along)their incisors get more pronounced and these ponies have micro-evolved to include more meat in their diet. They might as well since they are surrounded by ocean.
 
(The ponies and the kelpies also started mating together so that might explains some things)
 
No Cartoon Fish is the trope I’m referencing.
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That’s a super cute idea for a fic. I’m probably going to enjoy reading that. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
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The fish seen in the show for the most part, don’t seem to have any sapience so even canon seems to follow that trope. It was probably one of the ways they were able to show Fluttershy feeding her carnivorous animals without it looking too dubious (or violent) for a program aimed at younger children.
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This is… not strictly a biology headcanon, but I figure it’s close enough to fit, insofar as it’s a headcanon about a species culture and traditions?
 
Warning – looong post ahead.
 
Anyway: I quite like the idea of dragons being very good at advanced, complex metalsmithing. There are two reasons I like this headcanon – one, it would give them an unambiguously positive cultural characteristic (since as it stands now, their identity revolves around being aggressive, hoarding treasure, being hostile to other races and living in caves, which is… not terribly flattering), and two, the variety of armor the teenaged dragons were wearing in “Gauntlet of Fire”.
 
 

 
Their suits of armor are all very complex, highly distinctive and unique (and between that and their already wildly diverse anatomies, they all seem to be custom made) and by all appearances quite sturdy and effective. This doesn’t seem to be the kind of stuff that the dragons can obtain by raiding other species and hoping they’ll happen to have armor that will fit the dragons’ current size and shape and will also be able to withstand the kind of punishment that would make a dragon feel the need to wear full plate armor, and the dragons don’t seem like the types to give up their wealth even for trade, so to me the most logical conclusion is that they made their armor themselves. The only major question after that is whether there are specialist armorers among the dragons who make this stuff, or whether each dragon makes his or her own armor for personal use.
 
So, here’s how I see it happening:
 
While raiding and plundering is naturally enough a big part of how dragons expand their hoards, they also do a lot of individual mining and foraging for gems and metals – this was how they did things in their world’s prehistory, and the highly volcanic areas they live in are rich enough in these materials to still make it a worthwhile method. In pursuit of gold and silver and gems, they also unearth baser metals like copper, tin and iron, and they also acquire this material in their raids, as most people are going to own more in the way of iron, copper or bronze tools, objects, armor and weapons than gold, silver and gemstones. While they habitually toss a lot of this “chaff” out, dragons will also keep a good deal of it and store it in their lairs. Unlike the materials destined for their hoards, this stuff is gathered for a more practical purpose.
 

 
Dragons lead habitually very dangerous lives. There’s not a whole lot that can genuinely threaten a mature or older dragon, but they seem to go out of their way to find such things – other dragons in fights over territory, food and treasure, the defenders of the civilizations they take their wealth from, the extremes of temperatures and the elements in the places where they make their lairs, the highly dangerous fauna of the dragon lands, that sort of thing. As a result, proud of their strength though they are, dragons are aware that extra physical protection can be a very good thing – hence the armor.
 
Dragons prove to be naturally suited for blacksmithing. Their fiery breath provides them with flames hotter than all but a very few forges, and ones much easier to modulate and control. Their fireproof scales mean they can handle glowing metal directly and with little or no protection, and often they just beat and fold the metal with their bare fists and claws. Their raiding and prospecting means they rarely want for raw materials when they decide to forge a new suit of armor, although of course they often find themselves short of this or that component they need to make that extra plate or get an alloy like they want it and have to go and get some (which has on a number of occasions resulted in the rather odd situation of a dragon storming a town and making off with every pot, pan, knife and spoon it could carry, while leaving the valuables… mostly untouched).
 
Between their long lives and the fact that dragon culture goes back a very long time, the dragons have built up a fairly substantial store of metallurgical knowledge, mostly developed through trial and error and passed down from parent to hatchling. The actual details in technique vary from dragon to dragon and from family to family – dragons guard their secrets as jealously as they do their treasure – but overall dragon metal crafts compare very favorably to the best of what most other cultures have to offer, including extremely advanced knowledge of alloys, folding techniques and specific methods of firing and forging.
 
This knowledge, it should be noted, is largely confined to armorsmithing. The dragons don’t make particualrly extensive use of tools, have a limited appreciation for purely aesthetic objects, and they’ve never had any need for weapons beyond their brute strength, teeth, fire and claws.
 
Now, while most dragons make their own armor for personal use – as I said, most dragons not terribly given on giving out their wealth for any reason, and they don’t like others getting their claws on their stuff – there are, as in any other craft, experts and specialists. Some dragons have had reason or interest to further their skill in smithing over their very long lives. These rare individuals become absolute masters of their craft, producing some of the very best metalwork in the world, stuff of high enough quality to make other dragons willingly fork over their own gems and gold (or someone’s gems and gold, at least) for a set of custom armor.
 
In the present of the show, this is largely not known to the rest of the world beyond generalities and individuals’ hunches and experiences. I like to imagine that over time, however, as communication between the various species improves, dragon metal crafts (besides becoming more varied, as dragons start to value things beyond fighting and sustenance living) will come in very high demand in the rest of the world, especially once enough dragons develop an… appreciation… for the market economy. Capitalist dragons. The markets are in for it, I tell you…
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