MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread

Background Pony #C272
The information from the book was that the three crystals that had become “guardians” came from a shooting star. This would automatically mean the Unity Crystals, but how these crystals got into the ponies’ hooves has not been explained. In C3 there are visible connections between Twilight Sparkle and the Wishing Star, and the book was about the Winter Wishday - then it was thought that the shooting star could only be the Wishing Star.
In a couple of episodes in C2, Twilight’s cutie mark was seen on shooting star images. I went further back and look at C1 again. On the glass window in the airship station, where the three crystals are currently separated. And it seemed that the cutie mark is not a symbol of power, but something in the sky. As with the two crystals, the pegasus and the unicorn crystal - they were in halos with rays as if they were also heavenly bodies that had fallen to the ground.
We know from C2 that Twilight Sparkle was behind the Unity Crystals, and that she has left a message - which is still mysterious; how could she know that the spell meant to keep Opaline away was broken - and why is she “with them”, in her message to the Mane 5? We don’t know how the Unity Crystals ended up in the hooves of the royal pegasi family, with Sunny’s family and in Bridlewood.
But the book - and the new interpretation of the glass window - suggests that the three tribes were together after Twilight may have left them. The first generation after her time may have been united to begin with. And the book, which Argyle and Sunny must have undoubtedly been familiar with, has revealed that the guardians had forgotten their purpose. This may have led to the research of the Memory Stone discovered in the light tower in the movie.
It is possible that the MYM team will let the scenario of loss of magic through loss of friendship become canon, but the response from the fans may lead to them moving away from something so stupid even for children. It is possible that they will continue with it, MYM has become a bit too childish, more on the G3 standard than with TVT and IDW, which are on the G4 standard.
There have only been four alicorns with cutie marks in the G4 - Celestia with the sun, Luna with the moon, Twilight with the star and Cadence with the crystal heart. Opaline has said that the alicorns are immortal, but we know that they age with time. And what’s more, these had to go away to make room for new generations.
The hypothesis that Twilight has become the Wishing Star leads one to ponder why the sun and moon move around the planet, which we know is static with no power of movement. An old thought is that Celestia and Luna ascend and become united with the Sun and Moon.
The G4 lore is supposed to be the background for the G5, but while IDW has shown loyalty and TYT seemed to be very steadfast, it’s more difficult with MYM who at times seemed to move towards an AU reality as seen with G1 and G4. We know that the G1 lore from the 1980s does not exist in the G4, and was instead used as a treasure trove for world building in the G4, with success.
If the AU rule must be inprinted in the G5, it will mean a breach between the G4 and the G5. No more kirins. No more changelings. No more lore about the Mane 6, MYM did not follow up the movie about the Mane 6 which remains almost unknown to the Mane 5. No more the G4 Equestria.
So the C4 is now very important to see if the G5 will be a continuation of the G4 or something completely new.
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@Background Pony #C272
Early press releases for G5 heavily emphasized it being a distant sequel to G4. It would make no sense to hype that up and then abandon it. Unless, perhaps, it’s in response to fans voicing their disapproval over seeing everything Twilight fought for go right down the toilet.
Background Pony #C272
@Background Pony #C272
Early press releases for G5 heavily emphasized it being a distant sequel to G4. It would make no sense to hype that up and then abandon it. Unless, perhaps, it’s in response to fans voicing their disapproval over seeing everything Twilight fought for go right down the toilet.
IDW and partly TYT are on the right track. It is MYM that is the problem, this did not quite follow the track from the movie.
When the movie came out, many were convinced that G5 takes place very long after the end of G4, and that we will see a final farewell to the old world, this makes us demand the G4 books as a signal, a new beginning - and that we will see the Mane 6 for the last time. G5 should start with clean hands, by taking lessons from G4 in a new and unknown world. Then we are surprised to find out that G4 will continue after the movie as part of the lore. We found out that it wasn’t that long between the collapse when the tribes broke up, and the start of the G5 movie. That gives grounds for optimism.
And then the fist came right in our face with the C1, we saw an outlandish world with magic out of control. At the same moment that the magic becomes destructive - the G4 lore was put in danger, and the bond between G4 and G5 begins to fray. C2 was a continuation of this, and C3 was interesting, but also unsatisfying. It seems more like G4 is treated as G1 was to G4 by the MYM writers, who use the KISS rule, “Keep it simple, stupid” aimed at a younger audience than usual for the G4. TYT was not limited by this, the treatment of Posey points to this.
Opaline and Misty are successes as characters in G5, but it is noted that character development for the Mane 5 was not complete and partly contradictory as seen with Hitch, and Sunny was given a place in the sun a few times. Although it is the characters that carried the weight of the G5, and thus the show’s future. The pegasi sisters and Izzy were in the light for us more than the others. Misty was a joy in itself and Opaline was an interesting and fascinating villain. And this is the G5’s strength - and weakness. The characters overshadow the background.
The G4 lore more and more fades away. Sunny should have mentioned Twilight’s friends by name when she talked about the past in C2. They were supposed to be legends in the movie.
IDW is soon completely non-canon. And TYT and MYM more and more came apart; the matter with the Marestream was not pretty.
So C4 is the last chance. Then Season 1 of G5 will end, and the outcome of this will determine G5’s future possibilities. It’s possible that Grogar won’t even show up, that there isn’t a ruined Canterlot, or that it doesn’t even exist. Currently, TYT may become more popular than MYM in the end.
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HEadcanon: Opaline isn’t trapped in her castle becuase of some spell or curse, or becuase she wants to keep it secret. She’s perfectly fine with being able to leave.
She’s just too lazy to get her fat ass out of the house :P
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Here’s the thing about G4 Equestria: in terms of what you’d consider “historic events”, nothing happens in Equestria. Princess Luna returns at the start of Season One. We never see the impact her rule has on daily life, she doesn’t accomplish anything as a ruler, then she retires at the end of Season Nine. Any threats to Equestria are dealt with within a few days then basically never talked about again as everything goes back to normal. Equestria never had to adapt to anything; it was completely inert and stagnant. The setting wasn’t robust enough for anything to change. To be honest, Twilight failing to save Equestria and having to face the consequences of that is kind of the only direction left to take the setting.
Good examples of “historic events” would be the Changelings overthrowing their queen and needing to establish a new identity for themselves. Or the Hippogriffs being liberated from The Storm King’s occupation and having to figure out what to do with themselves.
No, the world of G4 works best as an “Age of Myth”; a collection of stories about heroes and gods.
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Judging by everything I’ve seen of her, Sunny Starscout’s personality is almost exactly like Twilight from the later seasons of G4, but associated with smoothies instead of books. Sunny has nothing truly distinguishable going on in personality.
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Looks like Opaline will steal the mane five cutie marks in chapter 4 based on a toy description.
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I know Sweetest Time of the Year is a nice song, but did they need to make it loud enough for it to thoroughly drown out the episode’s dialogue?
Background Pony #C272
Looks like Opaline will steal the mane five cutie marks in chapter 4 based on a toy description.
This is perhaps the first G4 reference in the MYM so far, there were a lot of G4 references in the movie, and IDW was alone in continuing to have G4 references in the plot as seen with the Discord Arc. If the idea was to have “the world of G4 works best as an “Age of Myth”; a collection of stories about heroes and gods” - very little of this has been seen in MYM. The closest we got was Hologram-Twilight which didn’t even show the real Twilight from the end of G4, and the hypothesis of the Wishing Star as Twilight Sparkle’s fate.
We never got an explanation about how Opaline could steal magic like Tirek, but what is revealed in the toy front gives a very important pointer, that this is spell based, in that Opaline masters a spell that allows stealing other people’s magic. Misty’s motive for working for Opaline is that she wants her cutie mark, we thought that it is to get the right to a cutie mark - not to get it back. The reveal could mean that Opaline may have taken Misty’s cutie mark.
Starlight developed the spell to remove the cutie mark from a pony and thus make this pony “neutral”, even with others - what is not realized is that the cutie marks are magical, they manifest talent and self-identity in the pony that only can do basic magic without the cutie mark. So when she took away the cutie mark - she committed the same crime as magic-stealing Tirek. Opaline may have further developed the spell to be able to steal and assimilate not only cutie marks, but also magic.
It is seen that her ability to steal magic is linked to her characteristics as an alicorn, flaming wings. That could explain why Twilight (and the Mane 6) chose to take her magic and seal it away, she had acquired a parasitic nature. But instead of sending her to Tartarus, they chose to put her under house arrest in what is the dark castle in C2. She could only leave the castle as soon as the magic in Equestria disappeared and may have found Misty when she was just a filly.
Unfortunately for the filly Misty who grows up in the dark castle - it seems that the banishment and house arrest that may have lasted for many centuries had made Opaline a little… weird. And completely heartless, if she uses the cutie mark as a means of pressure against her adopted daughter.
Anyway, this is finally the first possible G4 reference in MYM.
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This again? It was toys that showed sunnycorn, it was toy that showed Izzy’s house, the Crystal Brighthouse, characters who would appear later. Toys and toys yet again. My Little Pony will always be a toy brand. So of course there will be toys that tell us the plot or at least some of it. That if you didn’t forget that toys were the ones that destroyed the ‘big surprise’ for G4’s season 3 finale and one of the many reasons people gave up watching G4 ever again: alicorn twilight.
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Didn’t a toy description also mentioned king sombra? And so far there’s been no sign of him.
At the moment that stuff with Opaline is A 5050
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I just watched the most recent episode. It really warmed my heart! And the cookies looked great. I would try to make them if I knew how to cook, although the episode doesn’t mention their recipes in full.
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