Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only]

Background Pony #5203
@AWGear
@Background Pony #B837
Then again, he ignored her because she didn't provide what her ASKED her to provide. Construction workers can't just "build something on a whim", she'd have to get somepony to draw her a blueprint, and then give it to the construction pony to make it come true. He had to ignore what she said, as she didn't provided him with the most important part of building… well anything.

You DO realize that Big Daddy Mc Colt was able to build everything exactly the way Fluttershy wanted, right?
So however they resolved the lack of blue prints, it was very much possible to build everything according to Fluttershy's vision.

@rdibp
Or they should get some kind of default thumbnail only, that does not show what the video is about at all. That should teach them to be responsible with their stuff in the future?
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The Devil's Advocate
@Background Pony #B837
Yes, because we had it said that Mc Colts are good at building anything. They aren't a certain profesion, just bunch of good builders. They dont have education for it, yet they are pretty good. You had that explained ealier. A construction worker who knows only how to follow blueprints, but lacks the creativity won't do anything similar to that.
Background Pony #5203
@AWGear
You are way too hung up on his construction worker background/skills, all of that is irrelevant. His behavior was bad, no matter how you twist and turn it and try to pin the blame on Fluttershy.
If he owns a business, a construction business in his case, there can always be clients with unclear / uncertain requests. These things can happen in any such craft.
The correct professional way to handle that is to request further information until you can actually fulfil the order of this client OR to refuse the job offer altogether if you cannot do it.
But you do NOT just ignore what the client wants and build whatever YOU want. This is a really really BAD business practise.
I don't understand how you don't seem to grasp that concept and keep defending his actions.
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The Devil's Advocate
@Background Pony #B837
Uh, no?
His "business" is building things, not designing them. It's like if you would go to someone who can make cars and demand from them to make you a tank. It's outside of thier boundries to do something like that.
It was Fluttershy who was stupid enough to hire someone for a job, that was outside of thier taught skill. SHE should have know better because SHE was hireing those ponies. Since they all clearly had no idea on how to go with her, she shouldn't have hired them for the job. Yet, she did, and she didn't expect them to not do the job she wanted them to.
It's not a fault of the emploee if the customer isn't thinking about anything besides her own ass. The whole mess up is on Fluttershy. Those 3 ponies only wanted to help by doing what they know how to do.
Background Pony #5203
@AWGear

Oh boy. Last attempt on my end:
I don't think we are talking about the same thing. Maybe Fluttershy was mistaken for asking him to do something he cannot do, but she's not knowledgeable in that craft at all so it's easily forgivable that she doesn't know that. So if she asks someone who IS in that field and it turns out they cannot do what she wants, how exactly is it Fluttershy's fault if that person just takes the job anyway and builds something different entirely instead of declining the job offer?



You gave the car and tank example and I can see what you mean. However, you are still putting the blame on the wrong person. How would you feel if that "someone who can make cars" just took your job offer, built a car although you ordered a tank and then tries to give you that car? Because this is what happened. Are you in the wrong for asking the wrong person because you didn't know that they cannot do it or is the person who built you a car instead of a tank in the wrong?
One party is just not knowing any better call them stupid if you want and the other party is outright breaching the contract here. Which is which?



Consider another example, a baker. This is the scenario that happened:
You want them to bake a specific pie. He doesn't know how to do that one but does not tell you.
How would you react if they just bake something else instead of telling you they cannot do it or requesting more info, like a recipe, or researching how to do it?
Who is in fault here when the baker delivers something not ordered?

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AC97
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@Background Pony #B837

"I know she thinks she knows what's best, but once she sees how much better it works with these plans, she'll thank us." — Hard Hat


I mean, they blatantly thought they knew best, and they obviously couldn't care less about asking for Fluttershy's input on any deviations from what she wanted, which is what you should do, before doing anything else, lest you cause warranted customer dissatisfaction. You're supposed to ask the client if they want you to do X instead since their request was impractical in any way, but none of those three so much as tried.

Why that could possibly be incomprehensible is beyond me.
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The Devil's Advocate
@Background Pony #B837
I see really well what you are trying to say, but you are also taking the blame of Fluttershy and putting it onto other ponies. If I would want to have a cake made, I wouldn't go to the first bakery I come across. I'd do my reaserch and see where I can order it. I wouldn't hire 3 random people who already shown to do exactly the opposite to what I want to have done.

She should have (instead of yelling at them) calmly thank them for thier service during the montage of "what they are good at". This would both make her look like incompetent douchebag (Since she knows that those ponies aren't what she is looking for to achive, yet she still keeps them employed for whatever reason) and prove the point that she is more assertive, as it takes assertivness to confront someone and thank them for thier service, saying that they aren't right for the job.

I get very well what you are trying to say, but I don't agree with you giveing Fluttershy such an easy pass.
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The Devil's Advocate
@DerpyFast
Not really. Show has made it clear that she isn't the brightest of the Mane 6, so you could put stupidity as the "explanation" for those actions. What you can't do is say that it's all on those 3 ponies, when there was Fluttershy's fault in there too.
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@AWGear
Of course! Fluttershy should have just assumed that professionals that were recommended to her by her friends wouldn't do the jobs they were hired to do properly! Then, when these professionals don't do the jobs they were hired to do, Fluttershy is in the wrong for being pissed at them!

The mental gymnastics you're applying here are amazing, and not in a good way.
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@DerpyFast
No?
After thier initial talk, and then them showing off thier "ideas" she should have fire them before allowing starting to build anything. Yet, even tough they show heavy signs of being unfit for the job, she dissregards that and allows them to waste building materials. After that, she gets pissed at them that clearly unfitting ponies fucked up the job they were supposed to do.
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@AWGear
But they're not obviously unfit. It's not obvious to anyone that they would completely ignore instructions and do the opposite of what they're told to do.

"Sorry Fluttershy, but it's common knowledge that if you and a contractor don't see eye-to-eye, they'll just go over your head and not do what you asked. You should've just known that they were going to say one thing but do another."
AC97
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@DerpyFast

I mean, Fluttershy tells you no cages? They put cages. She tells you no curtains, and that she wants a natural color scheme? They put curtains, and a color scheme she doesn't want. She doesn't want it to be like the Ponyville Hospital? They decide to do it that way.

How could she have foreseen them not even trying to honor her guidelines?

And Fluttershy did say "I appreciate your efforts," while dismissing them for not even trying to listen to her at all, which is honestly more than they deserved.
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The Devil's Advocate
@DerpyFast
Why do you keep making Fluttershy look like she wasn't at fault at all?

"It's alright, Fluttershy. It's normal to employ specialists from home decour, cages and building buildings when all you want is an elevated piece of rock, a pond and few more "natural" houses for the pets. It's not your fault that those ponies didn't fit your idea of the place, and that even tough you knew they don't, you employed them anyway. Even tough you could employ your friends, Tree Hugger, Discord, Zecora or at this point anypony else, but you decided to go with those 3. It wasn't your fault at all."

Let me put more emphasis on employing DISCORD who could litterally snap his fingers and make Fluttershy's vision come true.
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@AC97
I would love to see someone try this as a legal defense in real life.

"Your honor, they should have known that I would demolish their kitchen instead of installing the plumbing for the bathroom, and just not hired me."
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@AWGear

Because she didn't do anything wrong?

You keep trying to sweep the whole "They did the opposite of what she told them to do." thing under the rug. You're also moving the goalposts here. She told them her was her vision was, and they said they would do it. If they weren't the ponies for the job, they should have told her that. Fluttershy is the customer. The benefit of the doubt lies with her.
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@DerpyFast
I'm not trying to sweep under the rug the fact that they should have outright refuse the work. It's obvious they should from the start. It's also obvious that when you see this picture:

You can clearly see that you have 3 completly diffrent ponies who won't work well together and won't do the job Fluttershy wanted. When I just try to point out that there is fault on Flutter's part, say that there is fault on her, but only on those 3, when I haven't said that they aren't guilty too.

Fluttershy could ask absolutely anyone to do this job but instead she hired 3 ponies who already said things that should disqualifie them from this job.
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