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While highly frustrating to mani people’s headcanon, Star Swirl the Bearded’s history in the show (not the comics) is fully self-consistent.
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While highly frustrating to mani people’s headcanon, Star Swirl the Bearded’s history in the show (not the comics) is fully self-consistent.
 
I hate how right this is. And, truthfully, the only thing I still hold against the whole Pillars thing is them planting the Tree of Harmony. That’s dumb, the Tree has been- and was afterwards- treated as one of the highest powers in the setting.
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Well that certainly wasn’t my opinion- for a long time I thought the Tree had even brought Luna and Celestia into being, such was its power and influence. And I still hold the opinion that a greater magic force is what caused those two to be born.
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Well let’s not mince words, we all thought the tree was god, and functionally, it still is.
 
Basically.
 
 
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I like to think of the Tree as a physical form of a deeper magical force that guides the setting.
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That works for me - what doesn’t work is Hearth’s Warming being after Star Swirl’s time instead of the other way around.
 
WAIT WHAT?! Hearthswarming was after his time?!
 
That… that just breaks the timeline. It can’t be saved. There’s no saving it. We know the Sisters were not alive for Hearthswarming, and Starswirl was their mentor, so…
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Well then, the Pillars just found an incarnate part of that force - like a proto-Element - and infused it with virtue.
 
 
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First, we don’t know ani such thing. Second, he was alive before Hearth’s Warming, but there’s no saying he was dead before it. Especially since one of his peers was a pegasus serving in a royal legion - something which only seems possible after the sisters came to power.
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Apparently Clover the Clever was his apprentice.
 
Frankly, in my headcanon i just solve that problem by assuming that there were two different Clover the Clevers 1 - the first, female, prophet of Friendship, who lived in the time of Hearth’s Warming, before Star Swirl, and another, male, named after the more famous one, who was Star Swirl’s apprentice and was involved with the memory stone.
 
1 - Which in pony language, may well be one single word - Ziragšabdar, in my intepretation
 
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Well, he wasn’t exactly dead…
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That I can live with, and hell it makes sense. One wonders how many Lunas and Celestias there are born every year in Equestria, and odd it must have been for Twi to meet the first foal named after her.
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I tend to think of it as, like, a benevolent Skynet. Something that was originally created by humans (or ponies in this case) but rapidly grew beyond their understanding and became vastly more complex all on its own.
 
There are plenty of stories about humanity creating something that eventually surpassed us. The Tree is just a rare positive version of it.
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The series has plenty of crazily powerful things that were just created by ponies, though. The Crystal Heart and the Alicorn Amulet were created by someone, and ponies can just casually be born with god-tier power that’s enough to rend reality. It makes sense that they could create something that powerful, and it would explain why it’s flawed like how it seems to have no comprehension of morality :D
 
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Honestly the show’s timeline has been broken since a millenia-long goddess’s alternate universe equivalent is somehow a woman who’s probably lived about 20 years at most :P
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Lol yeah. That’d have made for a funny alternate ending or something. She comes back and Equestria is like Blade Runner now and everyone’s making fun of her for trying to impersonate the princess who vanished thousands of years ago XD
 
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I guess principals are just super-young in that world. I’d be surprised if Twilight was any older than 20 (I’d peg her at 17 at the oldest) and she ran a school :P
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