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I Got 5 On It
I don’t take the leaks into consideration since it was info that wasn’t meant to be revealed to the public so I don’t let that color my perspective of the show. Pretty dumb and silly to get all worked up and angry over something like that honestly.
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Mind control and Brainwashing are as intimate a violation as rape. I hate it when shows treat it like it’s nothing.
 
I refuse to believe the elements ever turned anyone good. They just removed corruption and magical curses.
 
Someone has to make a choice to be good person. They have to want it.
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@Vivace  
I don’t think so - but then, they didn’t do it that commonly earlier. It was just an occasional option.
 
 
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This might make the difference between why Nightmare Moon was banished by one blast and purified by another.
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@Kiryu-Chan  
I haven’t read the leaks, but if that’s exactly what you described, then it’s a pity.
 
I think that’s another example of why this show isn’t coherent at all. Flanderized characters, the redesign of the changelings, ridiculous concepts, ridiculous stories, etc.
 
I still think if the show was actually consistent, we would have noticed that. And we wouldn’t talk about Starlight and her character arc for dozens of pages, we would have said instead “hey, Starlight was pretty good”.
 
I think you should never ever EVER split your community with this type of creative decisions.
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I think consistent and good have some overlap, but more for some people than others. And even on individual points, people won’t necessarily agree. Fandoms always take sides on things.
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I Got 5 On It
Have shows ever been “coherent” by definition? There’s wildly different definitions as to what it means since it varies from person to person whether the decisions a show has made is good or not.
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Starlight’s character is fundamentally toxic and unchanged by the end of the show, because she wants to do whatever she wants and wants to avoid any kind of responsability. And that’s a horrible thing to do.
 
It’s interesting how you say that, and yet you outlined a few examples that basically showcase the exact opposite of “avoiding any kind of responsibility,” between Starlight banishing Discord in the wake of him being extremely problematic (not an attempt to kill or really hurt him), because she wanted to fulfill a promise to Twilight, that she’d take care of the school, Starlight encouraging Twilight because she believed in her idea, and most egregious of all, letting her literal responsibilities interfere with her friendships, when it’s blatantly obvious she does want to hang out with them. It also ignores her taking responsibility in the wake of her failures, and ignores context, like her probably intending her “Princess princess” as a compliment (as in her saying “you’re more approachable than her, Twilight”), but her preestablished bad tact not making it come across well.
 
It’s so biased a viewpoint you may as well be watching a different show entirely, because Starlight in S6 kinda acts fundamentally different from Starlight in S9, on multiple levels, is far more selfless and responsible. There’s just no conversation to be had at that point, because there’s an irreconcilable difference in the way we view the character.
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Okay, now you’re just making shit up with these. The ones with Discord and the Book in particular she was justified. One was Starlight banishing Discord for throwing a tantrum and trying to torture her and the students constantly and the other was Starlight slapping the rulebook and telling Twilight she doesn’t have to follow it and should abide by her own rules
 
I’m not the biggest stan for Starlight but even I can see these aren’t issues at all
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Just because we didn’t see it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
 
Yeah, uh, I’m just sincerely doubting that she received a trial that she didn’t see. Who exactly argued in her defense?
 
I don’t know what term you want me to use — on that basis, under all normal circumstances, both Cozy and Tirek would have been dead within three days or so, long before they had any chance to be rescued or escape — the fact that they didn’t, and Tirek was there for over a thousand years without any ill effects (not even mental), implies there is something else about the place at work.
 
This is a better argument, but it’s clear that the stasis thing doesn’t exist. Even if they are sustained, it’s apparently done in a way that involves no contact, and they still don’t have steady access to bedding or toilets. The cage remains cruel af.
 
Mental health facility? — not even us, with our modern medicine and psychology, can cure psychopathy, and i very much doubt that Equestria could do it.
 
Well, Starlight is living proof that sociopathy can be cured. At least in FiM, it’s not entirely impossible.
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Well, Starlight is living proof that sociopathy can be cured. At least in FiM, it’s not entirely impossible.
 
Then there’s the fact that there’s no definite proof that any character is a sociopath.
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I still say Starlight should’ve gotten that Reformed Windigo as a pet.
 
They’re perfect for each other. They’re both soulless monsters who create and feed on the misery of others.
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@Background Pony #7CFD  
One of the better candidates in that regard is Lightning Dust… but “sociopath” is thrown around too much anyway at this point. Could probably count the number of characters you could diagnose with anything on one hand.
 
@Dustcan  
I still say Starlight Discord should’ve gotten that Reformed Windigo as a pet.
They’re perfect for each other. They’re both soulless monsters who create and feed on the misery of others.
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Well, Starlight is living proof that sociopathy can be cured. At least in FiM, it’s not entirely impossible.
Then there’s the fact that there’s no definite proof that any character is a sociopath.
 
Starlight’s villainy was triggered by her childhood friend moving away. That doesn’t quite sound like the behavior of a genuine sociopath.
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I Got 5 On It
I really loved her interactions with Spike, they both have a pretty good bond with one another that I would’ve loved to see that explored more. I could easily her getting along with him on the same level as Trixie and Sunburst and incorporate him into her own little circle.
 
Anyone gonna agree with me on this? Anyone…? Please…? Latecomer? Vivace? Ring Team? Any of you BP’s?
Kiryu-Chan
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Yah I agree actually, I thought their interactions were really fin in The Crystalling, I wish they did more with it though
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It was clearly a conscious decision to put her next to Tirek. Because after depriving her of every last right she has, it’s only better to make it so someone as cruel and vindictive as Tirek is the only person she has to talk to for the rest of her life.
 
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Starlight was a sociopath. Period. Even after reformation she continued to struggle with the idea that people are not hers to exert power over.
Myoozik
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I Got 5 On It
Okay good, I just thought this dog and pony show about Starlight was overstaying its welcome, even by the standards of this thread.
 
@Kiryu-Chan  
Same, would’ve benefitted greatly for the both
 
@Latecomer  
It certainly could’ve been more interesting if Spike wouldn’t be too busy with Big Mac and Discord.
 
@WyrmSpawN  
I never saw her that much as old Twilight, retaining some skills but having some traits of her own.
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