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I will say this. I loved the episode. But there was this theme of love in this episode. But it felt tacked on, since the episode was more aboout Twilight and her relationship with Celestia and the Mane Six.
Perhaps thats why Cadance and her love for Shining Armor doesn’t feel as prominent for this episode.
The theme of love was only there for the ending and doesnt hve much to do with Twilight’s own more prominent conflict.
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Fair enough, people can feel how the will about the episode, no prob.
& the fact that it was a love cantered episode was what I found off putting (same with the songs, tho I don’t really care for or enjoy them anyway). & not that I’d would’ve made a difference but Shining & Twilight’s conflict would’ve meant a little more if Shining had been introduced earlier & not felt like he & Cadance were just put in “just cuz”.
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That shows why Applejack is best pony, bar none :P
First time I’ve seen someone say Season 2 was their least favorite season when I’ve heard across the board say that it was either a great season or worse just a downgrade compared to Season 1 but there is a first time for everything.
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Pretty easy to dispute that since the Season 7 finale Shadow Play exists and to me manages to make a two parter feel like a frustrating slog of bad decisions and character derailment. At least A Canterlot Wedding like you said introduced a worthwhile villain, some alright characters and did have some great high stakes.
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Pretty easy to dispute that since the Season 7 finale Shadow Play exists and to me manages to make a two parter feel like a frustrating slog of bad decisions and character derailment. At least A Canterlot Wedding like you said introduced a worthwhile villain, some alright characters and did have some great high stakes.
Yes even if I think that Canterlot Wedding could have been improved in some areas, it is still jaw dropping experience. It felt like its own animated movie. And except for Twilight’s Kingdom I don’t think any other special had that same epic feel.
That Shadow Play though. Honestly the whole building up to that event was very rocky. I think Twilight acted extremely irresponsible for honestly selfish fangirl reasons. There are better ways to make Twilight both flawed and responsible. That being said I like the idea of the Old Elements of Harmony being flawing individuals. They should have went more into Stygian too. How could one make that Shadow Pony think seem boring?!
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Thing with Shadow Play was that it’s really obvious it wasn’t the original plan for S7 as
  • it was introduced halfway into the season
  • 3 of the Pillars were introduced in a single episode the form of short stories while the other 3 each had episodes dedicated to them to coincide with their perspective mane 6. Basically half of the Pillars and half of the mane 6 got screwed over in the development part
  • Show’s leadership changed over halfway through S7 again
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I’ll have to take your word on the Shadow Play as I’ve only watched it once & don’t really remember a whole lot from it. & tho I still didn’t like ACW, I can understand your points raised.
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The Season 2 finale to me wasn’t really jaw dropping as much as it was just another day at the office. Or something that sticks out but not in a positive way. The Elements & Stygian after the S7 finale could’ve been explored a little bit more, I of course mean after they helped the Mane 6 stop the Shadow Pony was defeated. The only one who got an episode was the one with the shovel (I forgot his name) & based on what I’ve heard people say about that, that could’ve been handled better. Despite all that, I’d probably choose Shadow Play many times over A Canterlot Wedding any day of the week.
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Indeed it does & I’m with you on that one.
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I’ve always been very cold towards season two, even back when it was airing. Part of it was due to going from being able to marathon the first season to enjoying each episode piecemeal, but the majority of it was due to it feeling utterly rudderless (something I term Mass-Effect-2-itis). Even at the time I found season three to be much better than season two, and upon rewatching season three recently, it has become one of my favourite seasons of the show.
Pray-tell on the leadership thing? I thought that after McCarthy left during season 5, it was the Haber show from then on out.
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I know Haber had good episodes under his belt, but when watching Season 7, the first half was to me like a golden period of MLP episodes like A Royal Problem and The Perfect Pear. And to me the later half didn’t quite do it for me as well as the first half did.
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How did this go from A Canterlot Wedding to Season 7 to the writers? Stick to my original post, dammit, what’s wrong with you people?
Anyways, Season 2 finale was great, Mane 6 were dicks for leaving behind Twilight, Twilight dug her own grave for not explaining herself, all that.
Agree or not?
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If I may, when replying to my comment, you happen to mention the Season 7 finale comparing it to the Season 2 finale & I guess it just took off from there. Derailing discussions happen (unsurprisingly) & I still stand by what I said about ACW, I don’t think I have any more to say about it.
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Whoops, my bad.
I agree with with the things you said about Twilight and her friends amd Celestia. They all had their problems.
I also have to admit their was a pretty fun fight scene between the Mane Six and the Changelings.
I liked how one of the changelings played along with Pinkie before she used the party cannon on the changeling.
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A Canterlot Wedding is flawed. Shining Armor and Cadence were introduced out of nowhere, the threat to Canterlot everyone was on guard for was never explained, Celestia and Twilight’s friends were wrong to doubt her, Twilight was wrong to not explain her suspicions, Luna was mysteriously absent during the fighting, and Chrysalis barely made an effort to hide herself. If I wanted to nitpick, I could find more flaws.
Doesn’t change that A Canterlot Wedding was my favorite season finale.
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A Canterlot Wedding is one of those things where its strengths is in the little things. I agree that the writing is shoddy at best (albeit all of S1-S3 was similar), and the introduction of several important elements without any lead-in definitely feels weird in comparison to, say, the finales of S4-S9.
All of that in mind, Chrysalis is a villain full of life and character, and while the first part of the two-parter is dull and lacks polish, the second part has amazing scenes and writing (and the This Day Aria, one of the best songs in the whole series.)
Not my favorite of the two-parters (that would be Twilight’s Kingdom), but definitely better than anything S1 or S3 have to offer.
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I strongly disagree on mane six being dicks in ACW, or even that they were wrong for leaving her behind. Let us not forget that they had damn good reason to believe that Twilight was once again overreacting, after not one, but two of her proclaimed disasters that she had gotten everyone worked up over previously in the season turned out to be nothing. And she wasn’t exactly helping her case in proclaiming Cadance to be evil without any shred of proof. No, based on the information they had at the time, they were absolutely not in the wrong for being skeptical of her story. “Oh, but they should have believed her because she knew Cadance while they didn’t.” Well, she sure a hell didn’t know she was dating her brother, let alone about to marry him. And you know what else she didn’t know? HER FULL NAME.
I know full well that there exist followup fics in which either Twilight tears her friends a new one for not believing her, or the mane six apologize profusely, but both are simply wrong. Twilight, frankly, did not deserve the vindication she received, because there was no way she could have known about Cadance’s true identity, or any connection she had with the plot to overthrow Canterlot.
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I think the problem isn’t that their behaviour is so bad in general, but rather that it directly contradicts the promise they made in Lesson Zero to take Twilight seriously even over things which seem trivial to others.
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Okay good, this is more like it.
Honestly, while it was jarring that both Cadence and Shining Armor were introduced this late despite being billed as important to Twilight’s life, I never really minded that. I just thought “eh whatever” since the rest of the episodes made good use out of the both of them for me to mostly overlook that problem.
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You can’t blame Twilight for rolling a natural 20 on her Insight check. If she wasn’t so imprudent maybe she could’ve had her friends distract Cadance so she could have a sit-down with her brother rather than confronting them in front of everybody. Don’t dump-stat Wisdom, kids.
Kind of interesting that stern AJ is the one who corrals everyone into leaving Twilight to do a bit of self-reflection while the others seemed like they might have been conflicted and possibly stayed to hear her out otherwise.
On going back to review lesson zero I’m reminded how manic twilight was back in the day. Like, IRL she’d be medicated.
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Well, Twilight’s complaints weren’t all that trivial - they should have at least been worthy of further investigation. And it’s not Twilight’s fault her brother never bothered telling her he had been dating Cadance.
But yeah, Twilight describing fake Cadance as “evil” as opposed to just acting strangely didn’t do wonders for her credibility. So… mistakes were made on both sides, I guess.
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