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@Dex Stewart  
Same thing to a certain extent. Not unlike his inspiration. I definitely like the “mentor Twilight” that we got later on. It felt like a natural and logical progression after working to overcome her own flaws.
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Mary Sues are characters whose social traits are completely flanderized, right?
 
Because that’s how I feel about what Twilight Sparkle has almost become in later seasons. Near the end of the show, it has reached the point where only a few episodes show proof it’s not her only character trait.
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@Myoozik  
I immediately thought of Timmy from Secret of Nimh 2.  
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He’s perfect,no one ever shuts up about how perfect he is,and he saves the day. And he drove his brother crazy but that was his own fault because Timmy is perfect.  
I don’t think Twilight is quite a Mary Sue. She doubts herself too much.
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I wonder how the writer of that HP fanfic feels about her character used like this all over the internet
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The word Mary Sue gets used to much that it kind of lost meaning when people use it hell I once saw a reviewer say Snails was a Gary Stu because he was good in the buckball episode!
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@Myoozik
I immediately thought of Timmy from Secret of Nimh 2.
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He’s perfect,no one ever shuts up about how perfect he is,and he saves the day. And he drove his brother crazy but that was his own fault because Timmy is perfect.
I don’t think Twilight is quite a Mary Sue. She doubts herself too much.
 
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The later the seasons of the Friendship is Magic, the more I have grown tired of the show over time so, by Season 9, I have never watched any episodes of the entire show properly more than once.
 
I am currently more interested in any material (both pony and non-pony) other than FiM, because it kind of overstayed its welcome.
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@Myoozik  
That was because I made that thread because of a review I watched which is dumb since Snails before buckball was known to make mistakes so saying he was a Gary Stu Because he was so perfect in the buckball episode was dumb.
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@Myoozik
 
A trait I found notably not stereotypically MSish about Starlight is how ponies weren’t universally praising her magic, between NSP (Big Mac Incident, Mrs. Cake with her magically made cake), ELTSD, ARP, Uncommon Bond (Sunburst got on her case regarding “pretending to be foals”), and A Matter of Principals (where she scared the students by making it look like she killed Discord right in front of them, and she had to commit awkward reassurance).
 
You’d generally expect the opposite with a few of those instances, notably with Mrs. Cake, unless they were supposed to be completely unsympathetic.
 
@Sadrai
 
I generally try to use that term for fanfics (albeit not universally), and even then, not all that commonly, unless it’s egregiously bad in terms of “high prominence and/or broken abilities just doesn’t make sense and quite possibly overshadowing other characters without good reason.”
 
An aspect of its overuse is everyone has their own personal definition, that you’ll notice typically includes traits… practically any main character has.
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@Sadrai  
Oh yeah now I remember.
 
@AC97  
It isn’t much her getting praised in-universe that she gets called an MS, it’s more for her extremely powerful magical abilities that can match Alicorn Magic despite her being a typical unicorn.
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@Myoozik  
That’s not what a Mary Sue is though. It’s not their abilities that make them a Mary Sue, it’s their effect on the plot. The original Mary Sue didn’t have any unusual powers at all, she was just all consumingly awesome and beloved.
 
Twilight occasionally slips towards there, because people won’t stop talking her up and she’s often inexplicably important to the plot, considering she’s totally useless or actively unhelpful half the time.
 
Not to mention there’s numerous characters more powerful than Starlight, some of whom are ponies like her. Tempest Shadow, Sombra, Starswirl and possibly Rainbow Dash are all likely far more powerful than her. Hell, I might add Pinkie to that list.
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@Philweasel  
I don’t know, I’ve always heard that strong power abilities, approval rating in universe, having no visible flaws and overtaking the plot most of the time was what makes a Mary Sue. Regardless, I was never a fan of that term since it can get misused to mean anything like character one doesn’t like and such.
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