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Princess Luna
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My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
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This reminds me of many old tagging ideas, like not tagging "unicorn" on images of unicorns from the show, only OCs, or such.


 
I get the idea behind it (not wanting the mundane stuff that you usually don't want to find), but ultimately I think it's misguided because it behaves bizarrelly when you start to consider other cases.
 
To use "applejack's hat" as an example:
 
- I want to find hats besides Applejack's, but in searching "hat, -~~applejack's hat", I find...a bunch of images of Applejack wearing her hat, and that's not what I want.
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I want to find images of Applejack without her hat, and so if the tag is omitted when it's on her head, then I can't find these images at all.
 
- In one episode, Chrysalis disguised as Applejack, wearing her hat; should this be tagged Applejack's hat? This question is thorny if there's an Applejack-exclusion, especially since the hat is destroyed and thus the tag "applejack's hat death" _*must_* apply...it'd be very odd for an image to be tagged with that and not with the tag for the thing "dying".


 
Both the searching cases clearly have a point, and to solve the first with the exclusion, you would need to not tag "hat" on Applejack wearing her hat...but for the second, you _*would_* need to tag "hat" on it. Thus, there is a point to not having the exclusion.


 
Furthermore, the intended "normal" case is easily satisfied with a negation on Applejack. Ultimately, this goes back to fundamentals onf how tagging is supposed to work; we want granularity, wherebyto we can meaningfully hoospecify a tag being present or not to change the images we get, so it's best _*not_* to encode exclusivity in, as it effectively is forcinges an exclusion on Applejack that we can't get rid of, removing oura choices to find images.
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Princess Luna
Preenhub - We all know what you were up to this evening~
Thread Starter - Started a thread with over 100 pages
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Economist -
A Perfectly Normal Pony - <%Nebulon> Yeah, just fetch me a smaller anus, sweetie.
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This reminds me of many old tagging ideas, like not tagging "unicorn" on images of unicorns from the show, only OCs, or such.

I get the idea behind it (not wanting the mundane stuff that you usually don't want to find), but ultimately I think it's misguided because it behaves bizarrelly when you start to consider other cases.
To use "applejack's hat" as an example:
- I want to find hats besides Applejack's, but in searching "hat, -applejack's hat", I find...a bunch of images of Applejack wearing her hat, and that's not what I want.
- I want to find images of Applejack without her hat, and so if the tag is omitted when it's on her head, then I can't find these images at all.
- In one episode, Chrysalis disguised as Applejack, wearing her hat; should this be tagged Applejack's hat? This question is thorny if there's an Applejack-exclusion, especially since the hat is destroyed and thus the tag "applejack's hat death" _must_ apply...it'd be very odd for an image to be tagged with that and not with the tag for the thing dying.

Both the searching cases clearly have a point, and to solve the first with the exclusion, you would need to not tag "hat" on Applejack wearing her hat...but tfor solve the second, you _would_ need to tag "hat" on it. Thus, there is a point to not having the exclusion.

Furthermore, the intended "normal" case is easily satisfied with a negation on Applejack. Ultimately, this goes back to fundamentals on how tagging is supposed to work; we want granularity whereby we can meaningfully specify a tag being present or not to change the images we get, so it's best _not_ to encode exclusivity in, as it effectively is forcing an exclusion on Applejack that we can't get rid of, removing our choices to find images.
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Edited by Princess Luna
Princess Luna
Preenhub - We all know what you were up to this evening~
Thread Starter - Started a thread with over 100 pages
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Economist -
A Perfectly Normal Pony - <%Nebulon> Yeah, just fetch me a smaller anus, sweetie.
Magnificent Metadata Maniac - #1 Assistant
From the Night -

Senior Moderator
Site Developer
Tag Czar
This reminds me of many old tagging ideas, like not tagging "unicorn" on images of unicorns from the show, only OCs, or such.

I get the idea behind it (not wanting the mundane stuff that you usually don't want to find), but ultimately I think it's misguided because it behaves bizarrelly when you start to consider other cases.
FTor use "applejack's hat" as an example:
- I want to find hats besides Applejack's, but in searching "hat, -applejack's hat", I find...a bunch of images of Applejack wearing her hat, and that's not what I want, unless "hat" is to not be tagged for AJ wearing her "normal" hat.
- I want to find images of Applejack without her hat, and so if the tag is omitted when it's on her head, then I can't find these images at all.
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Furthermore, the intended "normal" case is easily satisfied with a negation on Applejack. Ultimately, this goes back to fundamentals on how tagging is supposed to work; we want granularity whereby we can meaningfully specify a tag being present or not to change the images we get, so it's best _not_ to encode exclusivity in, as it effectively is forcing an exclusion on Applejack that we can't get rid of, removing our choices to find images.
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Edited by Princess Luna
Princess Luna
Preenhub - We all know what you were up to this evening~
Thread Starter - Started a thread with over 100 pages
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Economist -
A Perfectly Normal Pony - <%Nebulon> Yeah, just fetch me a smaller anus, sweetie.
Magnificent Metadata Maniac - #1 Assistant
From the Night -

Senior Moderator
Site Developer
Tag Czar
This reminds me of many old tagging ideas, like not tagging "unicorn" on images of unicorns from the show, only OCs, or such.

I get the idea behind it (not wanting the mundane stuff that you usually don't want to find), but ultimately I think it's misguided because it behaves bizarelly when you start to consider other cases.
For example:
- I want to find hats besides Applejack's, but in searching "hat, -applejack's hat", I find...a bunch of images of Applejack wearing her hat, and that's not what I want, unless "hat" is to not be tagged for AJ wearing her "normal" hat.
- I want to find images of Applejack without her hat, and so if the tag is omitted when it's on her head, then I can't find these images at all. I could use "hat" as well for this, but that clashes with the solution to the previous; *these cases cannot both be solved with the exclusivity in place*.
- In one episode, Chrysalis disguised as Applejack, wearing her hat; should this be tagged Applejack's hat? This question is thorny if there's an Applejack-exclusion.

Furthermore, the intended "normal" case is easily satisfied with a negation on Applejack. Ultimately, this goes back to fundamentals on how tagging is supposed to work; we want granularity whereby we can meaningfully specify a tag being present or not to change the images we get, so it's best _not_ to encode exclusivity in, as it effectively is forcing an exclusion on Applejack that we can't get rid of, removing our choices to find images.
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Edited by Princess Luna