Ramble: In general, bronies have bad taste in Fimfictions.

Maskarade

This is just me being mad about stuff and sharing my opinion for stupid reasons: Whenever I’m on Fimfiction, all the featured stories are probably some of the most uncreative, boring stories I’ve ever read. “Celestia hates tea” “The Date” (Clopfic) “My life in Equestria” all these stories are insanly popular and while they are well-written, nothing really happens.
 
Bronies just want to read mindless stuff. Something that just gives them a chuckle once in a while. I like dark, dramatic stories. Stories that actually needed some brain to write. I search trough the “dark” tag and find some amazing stories. But these stories only has like 20 views. I feel lucky that some of my dark stories has 500-1500 views.
 
I once wrote a boring story that took no skill to write called “A Dream in Sight” and guess what? The most popular story I’ve ever written! It pisses me off. I used months to write stories like “The Sulreif Demigod” and “The End of a Rainbow” and I liked those stories. It had drama, suspension, violence and so much more. But do bronies like those stories? Fuck no. I got 5 dislikes from the cover of “The Sulreif Demigod” alone. It’s completly unfair that bronies are such pussies when it comes to Fimfictions. They don’t give the real writers a chance. They want relaxing fun stories. Not real, serious stories. They only want children stories.
 
Granted; “Cupcakes” one of the most popular Fimfics; that’s dark right? Sure, but is it creative? No. Is it violent? Well, the fact that it was only written to be gruesome, it was so bad. It was only written to be the worst toture story ever. And if you think it was, you are completly stupid.
 
Bronies have the worst taste in stories. I love writing, but now; I hate writing Fimfics. I am no longer a brony. I don’t want to be. I dislike other bronies, because they feel so special, but really; they are just immature kids that gets a boner for Clopfics and gives top ratings for uncreative kid stories.
 
Now, before you call me a hater and give valid reasons for me being wrong; this “topic” was written in rage. I don’t talk about all bronies. I’ve met mature bronies that have decent taste in stories and art. I am not that closed minded that I think all bronies are hypocrites. Sorry for sounding like a complete douche, but I had to blow off some steam. Call me a dick or whatever, this was just something I needed to share.
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I like dark, dramatic stories. Stories that actually needed some brain to write.
 
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I don’t know why I am replying. I am not a good writer, so I don’t know why I am writing this.
 
TL;DR: You might want to find another audience for dark and violent stories.
 
Perhaps the “problem” is that many people (including me) don’t go to FimFic to read dark and violent stories in the first place? The world is full of dark and violent stories already, but the ponyworld is happy and full of colors and violence is only cartoon violence.
 
Bronies just want to read mindless stuff. Something that just gives them a chuckle once in a while.
 
You got that right. And a story like “Celestia Hates Tea” is a perfect example of a random comedy fic. Not every story needs to have “something happening”.
 
They don’t give the real writers a chance.
 
Wut? Only dark and violent stories are written by “real writers”? I don’t follow.
 
They want relaxing fun stories. Not real, serious stories.
 
We’re watching an animated show about magical talking technicolor marshmallow ponies living in a semi-utopistic world!
 
I like cute stuff. I browse ponies and Reddit’s /r/aww regularly, just to clear my head and get all the real-world issues out. I filter away lots of stuff I don’t want to see. Despite of this, morbid curiosity has sometimes driven me to read some darker fics. Stories like Solitary Locust, Asylum and Besides the Will of Evil* (where the Big Bad just killed an entire townful of ponies) are good because they don’t go overboard, but generally stay within the overall themes of the pony world. They don’t throw psychotic gorefests at you. There are even darker stuff out there, but I don’t want to know about them.
 
*) BtWoE is a sequel for It’s a Dangerous Business, Going Out Your Door, which is probably the best pony fic ever written.
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While I still feel the same way, I have calmed down now. I know it’s pointless making a post like this, but I needed to get it out.
 
Wut? Only dark and violent stories are written by “real writers”? I don’t follow.
 
That was probably a stupid way of putting it. I just have more respect for writes that put some soul into their stories. Something that shows they have an idea and putting in into words. Granted; fun, relaxing stories also have that.
 
It’s not that I don’t get why people want relaxing stories, it just annoys me that almost every featured story is these sort of stories. That just because you’re a brony writing a Fimfic, you can’t get appreciated by writing dark, serious stories. I like writing Fimfics, because I like how you can take the characters you know and place them in a different light. I keep growing bored of the MLP world, which is why I dislike stories that might as well could be an episode.
 
Sorry for sounding so extreme and I am glad that people read and enjoy my stories. I guess I am jealous that people writing fun “normal” stories get so much more respect and fame. Though I get why, I still find it unfair.
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I’ve witnessed this a lot in this fandom, groups of writers wanting to pump out their ideas in the best possible ways… only to get trumped by stories that seem trivial and silly. I agree with the sentiment that that’s the very reason we’re in this fandom in the first place, to enjoy cute, silly, easy-to-process cartoon equines, but at the same time I get where Maskarade was coming from.
 
I personally am not really a fan of ‘dark’ stuff all too much, but I do like things that feel like they matter. Things that have to do with alicorn orders or massive adventures or other such serious-yet-exciting topics are some of my favorites, but the fact is they’re often not all that fun to read. They’re definitely fun to think about and write up and go into all sorts of detail… but in my experience reading what others have written on such densities is, well, just that: dense. It’s difficult to get through and the pace often feels like molasses.
 
Stories like “Celestia Hates Tea”, for example, are rich with fast paced story telling, while the more serious-toned stories have to take the time to describe every necessary detail of the plot to help make sure the reader doesn’t get lost, which can take a while. I don’t feel like the majority of the fandom really wants “mindless reading” (though some honestly do, and that’s not a bad thing), but more that they want to feel like they’re actually getting swept off quickly into whatever adventure they’re reading.
 
IMHO, it doesn’t matter if you’re writing a silly little ‘one-off’ about some silly little event that occured in ponyville that would probably take the space of an hour if not less in real-time, or if you’re writing about the striking adventures of a squad of space marines that find their universe is a lot bigger than they ever could have imagined before. If you can’t get to the punch quick enough - if the reader doesn’t feel like they’re flying, but instead feel like they’re stuck in miles and miles of traffic on the way to Disney World - then you’re not really going to get many reads and views on whatever grand epic or little one-off you’ve written, no matter how well written it actually may be. Maybe the views you will get will be people just loving to death what you’ve made and thought up, but if you’re going for numbers more than people who would search out that sort of thing that you’ve written, you’re going to be disappointed when you can’t seem to make the story go any faster for your readership.
Maskarade

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Well written and I do agree. You’re right that serious stories take longer to get into, but when you actually do get into it, the fimfic could really change your perspective in all sorts of way.
 
My stories actually fit will in the way you described them. Not a lot of people read my stories, but the ones who do have the time and interest to read them, end up really loving it. I have yet to get a negative comment and people often tell me that they loved my stories beyond anything, and I am very happy about that. Though I don’t get tons of support, I find that the support I do get is extremely positive.
 
All in all, I am happy with the readers I get, but I’ve seen people who doesn’t get appreciated, people who write these magnificent well-written stories and get nothing in return. I just wish stories like that would be more poplular, so their confidence doesn’t sease to exist.
 
In a way, it’s like music. Popular music is often this bullshit where a half naked chick sings about sex and parties. These “artists” are just sell-outs that do whatever they can to gain fame and it annoys me that it works, while great artists like Cage the Elephant, Filter, La Dispute, The Bronx; end up being some underground band that the common person haven’t even heard about. Artists like Miley Cyrus, Nicki Minaj, Lady Gaga, RiFF RaFF gets all the fucking music awards, gets all the fame and all the respect.
 
I think some people not just deserves more respect for their work, but actually needs it.
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In a way, it’s like music. Popular music is often this bullshit where a half naked chick sings about sex and parties. These “artists” are just sell-outs that do whatever they can to gain fame and it annoys me that it works, while great artists like Cage the Elephant, Filter, La Dispute, The Bronx; end up being some underground band that the common person haven’t even heard about. Artists like Miley Cyrus, Nicki Minaj, Lady Gaga, RiFF RaFF gets all the fucking music awards, gets all the fame and all the respect.
 
That’s the power of “No Such Thing as Bad Publicity”. It doesn’t matter if they’re famous or infamous, since all that matters is being popular.
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I’ve found the opposite to be true. When I look on Fimfiction, there’s always something 10 times better than alot stuff that gets posted to Fanfiction.net.
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Well that’s kinda because Fanfiction.net is a disgrace to fanfiction sites everywhere (even if technically they were the first organized site to host fics). In fandom we have Fimfiction for everything fandom related, but I’ve pretty much fallen in love with the system over at Archiveofourown.org, especially since they have lawyers who have fought and won for the cause of all fanworks out there, not just for written works, and they will defend anyone’s fanwork (at least anyone who’s not being stupid and trying to make a profit) if it comes to question.
 
 
@Maskarade  
Yeah, those authors who do write some legitimately good stuff don’t get what they both deserve and a lot of times need in order to have enough confidence to continue doing what they’re doing. Maybe sometimes that’s for the best for some, maybe writing’s not what they really should be doing at this time, but overall I feel like the problem is that they don’t have enough confidence initially to go to some board or chat that specifically allows the announcing of new fics (like this one) and advertise their new story, probably thinking that it’d just be annoying and being an ‘attention whore’.
 
And what you said about the music industry is pretty much the crux of their fears: they see those really kinda second-rate artists getting all the fame, not because they actually had something worthwhile to put out there, but because they used cheap tactics like sexuality or spamming or just being a nuisance in general. And when they see them, obviously they know that that’s bad, and so they don’t want to be anything like them - so they back away, they don’t want to bother anyone so they never tell anyone else about it, they just let their story sit and stew, hoping that eventually someone will find it and maybe spread the news and it’ll get big. But they wouldn’t dare try to get it out on their own, they lack the confidence to do that.
 
So, I guess I’d just advise for everyone that sees stories like that, that are so amazing and awesome and epic and satisfactory and aaaall that good stuff, that we spread the word: get others to read it, and hopefully give that author that boost in confidence they need to keep going.
Maskarade

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But the solution is a part of the problem. If you go around trying to sell your story, music, art or whatever, you will without a doubt get a bad reputation. Ecspecially in this fandom. Confidence can easily be seen as annoying and I bet people will -without reason, dislike your work simply because you “bragged” about it.
 
It should be possible to stay humble, yet still get the attention you seek. The fact that is rarely a possibilty is just one more reason to call all this stuff “unfair”
 
It saddens me that it has been this way for a long time and will continue this way for yet another long time. Thus my rambling.
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@Maskarade,  
I have found it amazing reading online fiction and finding what I have liked and disliked. Speed at which the plot changes dictates if I read something. I read the first paragraph and more-or-less give up on reading the rest. I read some of stories I gave up on and found them boring from then onward. The author has a fetish or an idea that they repeat over and over, diluting the plot and the pacing, making it dull. If you smile in the first paragraph, you got your audience. If you got the person laughing and intrigued by the end of the first 6, you are done. Unless things get really bad, people will read it through and through. The author needs to tell you something once and you can remember it for the rest of your life. You may write it over a few months, but to the reader it may only be a few minutes.
 
Read Snow Crash (Neil Stephenson, 1992, ISBN 0-553-08853-X). Read the first chapter and try not to want to finish the book. It is one of the fastest paced books I have read. The story is refined, exciting, awesome, funny, and fast paced.
 
Compare it to a modern book by Neil Stephenson. I could not finish Anathem (2008, ISBN 978-0-06-147409-5) and listened to it on book tape and that was a struggle. It was dull to read/listen to, while the story was exciting, deep, well done, and thought provoking. But it was freaking dull. It was hard to figure out what they were talking about when reading it. His books have, in my opinion, suffered drastically as a result. He talks about science instead of story. Neil gave up on writing fast because he wanted to write more and describe things to the extreme.
 
(Aside: I will state that hands down I loved the story and science of Anathem, but I could not convince myself to read it or go through the drudgery of it again. Too long, too dull, and too boring.)
 
Try rewriting out your favorite story, movie, show, or play. You may find the scene or scenes you loved the most was only 10-30 seconds long. If the scene was longer, it would not have worked out as well. The Rain Boom was only 20 seconds long, but it is only ~5 seconds that are awesome while the rest you just feel good about the 5 seconds. It was the build that made the Rain Boom awesome. The episode was 23 minutes long for a 5 second scene and the episode was meh for most of it. However, I find it one of the best episodes for the 5 seconds of awesome and the constant build.
 
But I digress. I hope you all the best in your writing endeavors. May you turn your imagination into stories so anyone may experience it.
 
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What do I think may or may not have happened with your stories? Funny things are fast. They build up the joke, they tell it, they move on. Dark stories, the author has thought a long time about them and have a bunch of key things they want to address. This may have stronger emotions, better build, and many other key things that make it great, but they may be slow and depressing to read through.
 
The worst is when you think about a scene for a week, building up a scene, then write the scene in five minutes. That absolutely sucks because the enjoyment of writing that scene and wanted that writing to take a day, but nope.
 
Grave Of The Fireflies is a great dark film, but slow, depressing, and difficult to finish. It is powerful, strong emotions, amazing, and well written, but not something that many people enjoyed seeing. You may have written something amazing, but at the end of the day, as my one Indian friend says,:“You go to the theater in India to be happy. All Bollywood films are happy. Man gets the girl; live happily ever after. Why pay money to feel depressed?”
 
I am not saying do not write dark stuff. Write dark, but ensure it is entertaining so the reader has motivation to keep on reading.
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IMO, serious stories with a high word count and silly one-shot stories are two sides of the same coin. They’re both important styles, and I wouldn’t sacrifice one in favor of the other.
 
Short stories that don’t require a huge time investment can serve as a gateway for new readers, or as a fun distraction to tide someone over between updates of another story. Or perhaps a really great story idea just happens to only require one chapter. Some of them are insanely clever. I consider several of them to be some of my favorite stories.
 
Longer stories… I admit, I live for these. The story that first restored my faith in fanfiction as a whole was Equestria: Total War. They can really show off some amazingly cool things that can be done with the characters and the setting. I’m currently following several, all of which (in my humble opinion) could be legitimate books in their own right. They’re not without drawbacks, though. Sometimes they take a while to update, and in the worst-case scenario, the author might disappear entirely…
 
Also, while it’s true that there are usually short stories in the feature box, I’ve noticed that most of the longer stories that I follow hit the feature box whenever they update. Recent examples are The Dresden Fillies series and Deus Ex: Equine Revolution.
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I’m gonna ramble quite a bit, so I might as well structure my comment for the sake of everyone’s convenience.
 
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I don’t know where all the talk of “dark stories” comes from, but a lot of stories that I gave up on reading had to do with just being poorly written. The characters either weren’t engaging, or even interesting, there wasn’t a hint of any actual writing skills, because a character was about as interesting as a sock puppet or a world was about as engaging as a blank wall, or, overall, the stories were just extremely generic.
 
those are what I call garbage fics, or the not-as-lucky-as-[insert incredibly famous / popular story here]. I could care less about which type of fiction is more prevalent, I had fun with a lot of really funny stories and one shots, but if the writing makes you gradually lose more and more interest in reading, to the point where reading it feels less like a joy and more like removing a needle from your finger, I’m fine with skipping those and I would prefer they did not receive the reception they have, if at all possible.  
It’s not for me, it’s more for all those modest writers having great works go underappreciated, simply because there are some things that are easier to read, not because they’re dark, but because they’re much simpler and take almost no effort to understand or follow.
 
 
On topic
 
also, there’s that problem of overrated fics, which I’m glad we’re not actually discussing and I’m sure you might have caught on to what I’m talking about right now..
 
On a whole, what I really think is the worst culprit here Isn’t the massive praise that MLD got, even though that did help make things worse and I’ll get into why soon, it isn’t the story itself, or the writer, It’s not even the fact that a lot of copies / style / quality of that story came out so many times over, it’s the poor maintenance and approval system for features in EQD, as well as FimFiction. I will argue that did the most damage realistically speaking, mostly because of the reasons stated above, but overall, because they made poor decisions at very early stages of the site when interest towards MLP:FIM was at an all time high.
 
and no, I don’t mean 2011 when there wasn’t that much interest in writing fan fictions, I mean later on during the 2012-2013, when stories were coming up at an all time high and the features grew more and more questionable, most features made by both sites.
 
Simply put though, the damage was done and was attributed from one side to another, not one side is solely to blame for any of this even though the ones responsible can be debated, but what is true is that there is absolutely no use crying about it now. Damage control, better direction as writers, talk with the source (being writers or the admins of either sites responsible for featuring stories), as well as inciting some interest in readers, that’s what can actually help.  
Arguing between one another whether you’ve formed a standard on one side of the readers’ section or you stand with another banner to the other left side of the readers’ position, will only waste more time and energy from everyone pointlessly.
 
To writers
 
If you’re a writer and your stories go underappreciated, you might want to get involved a lot more into group discussions on Fim fiction, from what I’ve been following, those are quite active and offer quite a bit of help for writers, depending on whether you’re in the right group or not that is, by which I mean one for discussions that are meant for writers and writing purposes. Sometimes the problem isn’t very obvious and having more opinions as well as listening to them doesn’t help, because writing, filming or recording/composing music isn’t an obvious work with a set of working instructions as well as obvious needs, your stories could be lacking in some areas you never even thought about previously, like the characters could be more interesting, the scenario needs a little more going on, or you probably can improve what you have good by making it much better, such as scenery not being Just convincing as 100 and 1 other stories have decently and almost identically written sceneries, but they could be much better and much more developed, helping much easier draw in the reader into the world you’re creating..  
There’s a lot of things about writing and plenty of room to improve before you can call it quits, if you are very serious about writing that is. Talking to more people about what you can do doesn’t hurt and learning more about writing isn’t unheard of, even for the most experienced that’s
 
You don’t even need to go as far as to read into other writers’ experiences, you can better inform yourselves on better sources through the internet of how to improve your writing in areas that it is lacking severely, it’s just that I personally think Fim fiction groups can better help you find said problems easier.
 
Conclussion
 
on a whole though, I don’t think that fan fictions for the MLP fandom are completely ruined, they could be Far worse than right now and for what it’s worth, a fair number of the really good works do get the credit they deserve.
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Well I have no idea about Fimfiction, but…pretty much all the best known fanfics fall into the ‘grimdark’ category. “Past Sins”, “Cupcakes”, Fallout Equestria”, “Story of the Blank”, “Bubbles”…  
Moreover, there are artists (anthro artists especially) who have a taste for the stupidly mature and serious. Many of these stories are actually rather pointless and fail to really justify their serious sides, making them just a way of pandering to a certain kind of audience.
 
I’m just saying this to emphasize that there’s no quality difference whatsoever between ‘serious’ and ‘light’ stories. In fact, I’d probably predict the former to be garbage more often, because they already include a break from the tone of the show that they need to give a reason for. On the other hand, how often is it that I see a fic I could imagine as an actual episode? It is a very difficult task, more than some probably realize!
 
But then I probably just misunderstood something you said too, so I’ll stop pushing it.
 
Well idk - I think it’s a general Murphy’s law that the art you made on a whim in 5 minutes will have several times the likes compared to the piece you worked weeks on. It’s just one of those things.
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I hadn’t read many fanfics, mind you, but out of the few I’ve read… No many really did interest me. (Though am planning to read “Fallout: Equestria”. I bought a book copy of that fanfic just so I can read it without problems).
 
I do feel that a lot of stories are not that creative or really good. But also I tend to dislike stories which put the main characters into situations which they will never be in. (in my opinion). Only exception was “Rainbow Factory”. I really liked the idea of that… It had a lot of potential behind it for lore, story, etc. But was not a fan of Dawn’s version. (Was more a fan of WoodenToaster’s general idea, since his song started it all). I even ended up writing my own Rainbow Factory story just cause of my interest… Short but it was more focus on the Rainbow Factory as whole rather than the horror side of it for the ponies forced to go there. (Like how the Cloudsdale government accepted it, how corruption works through it, what it does to the workers, etc).
 
But anyways. I rambled, sorry.
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I’m going to tell you much the same thing I told an author complaining that his clopfics were more popular than his serious stories: it’s a matter of how much effort the reader needs to read it.
 
Short, comedy bit, or clop? It’s easy to read, so it’s considerably more likely to get read by a lot of people.
 
Epics and Grimdark? Those take considerable effort to read, both in the matter of time and in mental and emotional investment. You have to keep up with the plot, you have to care about the characters, you have to put in the time to read 10k-20k words (at least.)
 
In the end, the short, cute, or cloppy fics are going to get read by 90% of the people interested in them right away, while the long, epic, and grimdark are going to get stuck in the bowels of peoples’ Read Later folder never to see the light of day again more often than they aren’t, just because, statistically speaking, most of those interested who find it will lack the time or will to get started on them right away, either due to real life draining their spirit or having put their effort into reading something else first… whether that be another epic/grimdark or ten of the short, cute bits.
 
Hell, I’ve got over a hundred things in my read later and over two hundred tabs open… at least half of which are fimfic pages.
 
Generally speaking, unless it goes viral, with friends gushing to friends gushing to friends about how awesome it is, it’s more likely dark and epic fics will end up sunk in obscurity than not.
 
If you write such a fic, take heart and enjoy the fact that the people that DID chance to read it really enjoyed it, and keep hope that when someone goes digging into fimfic and happens to be ready to read it, they’ll enjoy it too.
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Truth is, I actually stopped going to Fimfiction for a while because I was pretty frustrated at the stories that were being featured (especially if they’re shipfics), and I have a story setting in my head that has been bothering me for the last two years that I’ve been in the fandom and I really want to write it now, but I may not since I’m afraid a lot of people will hate it if it’s noticed to begin with. I sort of empathize with OP on this one. Not much can be done about though.
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You should go ahead and write it anyway. Folks might actually like it! And if they don’t like it, and they’re able to constructively tell you why they don’t like it and how you could have done better, then you’ll be able to use that advice to make your next story better.
 
Take the plunge! There’s really nothing to lose.
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Even if you write it and it gets no attention, it still feels good to finish a story. To read it yourself and to know that you created a universe, a universe constructed from your mind, with a story that is yours and yours only.
 
I would love to hear your idea and possibly share my opinion, if that would be something you’d be looking for.
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