Sonic Discussion

@Ponynstuff320 (Toon-n-crossover  
Cant belive that two lines can make things better

@Ponynstuff320 (Toon-n-crossover  

 
Yeah I saw the way he draws the characters in Lara su chronicles  
Stuff of nightmares I tell you  

@Spike_Lover
 
Yeah, that comic that he’ll never actually write despite ruining and killing the Archie comic so that he could write it.
 
Seriously, fuck Penders.

@Jarkes  
He did tweet some pages  
!pbs.twimg.com/media/B9odTLQCUAA0G_r.jpg!  
 

 
and this abomination is coming tomorrow so be ready too

@Spike_Lover
 
Good lord…

After reading the latest comic, it feels so…WRONG seeing Eggman act like that, though the way it’ll end is pretty obvious.

@Spike_Lover  
Wait wha…. This shit will be finally released?

@Shadow the Hedgehog  
Unfortunately yes

@Spike_Lover  
Oh yeah…… That’s still a thing…… Apparently.

Geeze, those chins.
 
Notice nameless Knuckles appears on the first page in a hologram? Makes it ironic that Ken always brags about only using “his own” ideas.

@Beau Skunky  
That echidna is actually  
Remington  

 
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Can you honestly look at this thing and tell me its the same character  
 
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@Spike_Lover  
Not him, look at the first panel in one of their hologram computer monitors. There’s future “Mobius 25 Years Later” Knuckles. (With cowboy hat, and fake eye.)  
With Stephen Butler art taken directly from the Archie series. Oh yes, Ken literally copied & pasted it without permission, I assume. Very ironic, given his whole “My characters! DONOTSTEAL” schtick. (Could be a placeholder though.)
 
As for Remmington, it’s understandable he’d have to make him less Knuckles-like for legal reasons, but that still doesn’t explain the copied and pasted image of Knux I pointed out.

@Beau Skunky  
Oh I see that knuckles from Mobius 25 Years Later apparently Ken Penders was so self entitled that he didn’t care to created the artist or draw it himself
 
 
As for Remington he has less spikes then knuckles and his fur was brown not red  

@Spike_Lover  
I remember back when the legal issues started, Ken stated on his website he wanted fans to put “(C) Ken Penders” on any image of the Sonic comic online, despite the fact, Sega/Archie are the ones whom actually own the series… I am serious. That’s how entitled he is. (He doesn’t understand how a “licensed comic” works.)
 
Ken may of created stories, fleshed out the world a bit, (using some SatA.M. & game concepts) and made some characters, but he oftentimes acts like he’s the only creator of the series, and takes full credit for everything about Archie Sonic too much. Ironically, some of “his” characters were co-designed by the artists, like Jonathan Grey designed Dr. Finitevus, and Lien-Da for him, (And frankly, writer Ian Flynn fleshed those characters out more then he did.) and according to Grey, was only given vague descriptions like “draw a white echidna” for Finitevus.

@Beau Skunky  
That’s the thing Ken Penders is so blinded by his own ego that he never even engaged any of the other people that made the characters he claims he created by himself

@Beau Skunky  
Actually, that bit of Knuckles was drawn by Penders himself, so it kind of makes sense why he’d put that in. But when putting it in hindsight, that’s pretty lazy just slapping in some old piece and act like it’s legit. Not only that, but it’s still fucking Knuckles regardless, I don’t care what Penders says, so there’s still that issue.

@SnakeyThingy  
Are you sure? It looked like Butler’s style, but it’s hard to tell, as Ken does do similar glossy eyes. (Anyone got that issue?)
 
Indeed, Knuckles is still Sega’s character, (even an Alternate Universe/Future version of him) and it still looks blatantly like him, rather then using an lawyer-friendly expy of him. It also highlights Ken’s hypocrisy that he doesn’t want Sega/Archie/BioWare using his concepts, (without compensation) but he’s fine using others’.
 
Ken even contradicts himself, on Twitter, he put the blame on Sega/Archie for why his characters were removed, (some of his fans bought it) and tried to claim they were “free” to use his characters/concepts, yet I remember on his website (I’ve been there myself) he said he didn’t want them using his stuff without paying hm, crediting him, and such. So they aren’t so “free” to use it.
 
Some of Ken’s fans (note: I am one too, but at least I can admit Ken’s no saint) are even trying to put the blame on 2006-present Sonic comic writer Ian Flynn for getting rid of Ken’s characters. Which is ironic, because if Ian wanted to get rid of them, he would’ve done it a long time ago when he had many chances to, (like with the Egg Grapes, or the first Genesis wave years before the actual reboot happened) and wouldn’t of been building up so many future plot points with the echidna dark legion, and such.  
What’s even more ironic is, Ian Flynn is actually a fan of Ken’s stories, and even said he loved the “Knuckles” comics series. (Hence, why Ian brought back villain Enerjak, and such.)  
So it’s ironic for Ken fans to demonize him, while Ian was the one keeping Ken’s legacy in the comics alive for so long.

@Beau Skunky  
The little story says that Penders was the writer/inker and Butler did the pencils, but the first page of it you can tell it was done by Penders.  

@Spike_Lover  
Something about everyone’s facial proportions just feels…off for some reason.

@SnakeyThingy  
I like Knuckles’ hat

 
Finally, everyone is here.  
Issue #9

@Shadow the Hedgehog  
Is that yacker I see  

 
@Red-Supernova  
That’s because there all aliens

@SnakeyThingy  
Actually, the penciller is basically the artist, the inker just outlines, and refines their art, but still Butler did most of the art.  
But yeah, that first page looks more Penders, then Butler.
 
@Marx  
I like the hat too, it originally came from the OVA.
 
@Shadow the Hedgehog  
Well, most of the game characters, (except the obscure classic ones like Mighty, Ray, Nack, ect.) and no SatA.M./cartoon characters, and such. Alot of fans kinda miss ‘em. I do too.
 
Still, nice to see characters coming back regardless. Needs Big the cat for comic relief though. Seems unfair every other Sonic Heroes team is there, (including Emeryl, who’s surprising, as he’s more obscure) but no Big.
 
Now I understand some hate him, but honestly I kinda like him, and character-wise he’s kinda entertaining with his slow/oblivious/laid back nature, and has a more unique Miyazaki-like design.

@Beau Skunky  
This is probably an introduction, we still have way more issues to come… I hope so, so maybe some day, Ian will have the guts to pull classic characters on it.

@Shadow the Hedgehog  
Knowing Ian he’d like to bring alot of ‘em back, (dude, he’s the guy whom brought back the villains from “Tails Adventure,” the S.S.S.&S. Squad, and other classic game, and cartoon characters) but from what I hear for now Sega/IDW just wants to focus mostly on more modern characters for now.
 
Considering Sega’s stance on “taking the comic in a different direction,” it makes me curious if we will get other characters back soon. (As I said, Sega did forbid Archie to use Cream & Omega for years, but luckily relented, and let them use them years later. So you never know. Mandates aren’t forever.)