Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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How can you read the report and come to that conclusion?
 
The Muller report concluded - in very simple terms - that Trump corruptly exercised his powers to obstruct justice.
 
Barr believes the President can not violate the law, because he is the highest Federal legal authority. So while the report found multiple instances of criminal activity, Barr concluded that they are not chargeable offenses, because he believes a sitting president can not be indicted except by Congress.
 
Also, the special counselor was instructed by the justice department to “not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes”. So they were specifically instructed by the AG to not make any judgements about whether the President committed crimes - all they could do was findings of fact, which included multiple instances of criminal, and in any other instance indictable, behavior.
 
Instead, the SC reached “The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the president’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law,” – the Muller report.
 
So, the report concluded that laws were broken, but only congress can indict, because the AG has ruled that a sitting President is, in their judgement, above the law. Congress now has the opportunity to decide whether the President is above the law or not. There is literally no precedence for this, because Nixon resigned before the question could be answered.
 
The report also concludes that after Trump leaves office, prosecutors could re-examine the evidence which could “potentially result in a judgment that the president committed crimes.” Because then as NOT a sitting President he would no longer be above the law.
 
There is evidence sufficient to indict anyone except for the sitting President during a time when the AG has decided that sitting Presidents can’t be indicted by his department, so once Trump is no longer a sitting President, the AG won’t be able to protect him.
 
So the dozen ongoing investigations that were spawned by the Special Counsel will continue to grind their wheels, and Congress will now decide whether to apply “checks and balances”.
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I’ve read Dark Alliance. Not the most exciting prose, but fascinating info. I’m sure if I wasn’t reading up on US-China relations I’d bother.
 
Least I can do is download it from Barnes and Noble and pretend.
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In case you forgot, Hillary Clinton was the most corrupt candidate to ever run for office.
Not even remotely true.
 
 
@Background Human  
In case you forgot, Hillary Clinton was the most corrupt candidate to ever run for office.
Second-most.
It kinda teeters between Clinton and Trump depending on the week, really.
Fuck them both TBH.
You know guys, you don’t have to like her, but I seriously doubt she’d be anywhere close to second on the list. 200+ years of American history has produced more than a few political candidates more corrupt than her.
 
 
@Derpy Whooves  
So, the report concluded that laws were broken, but only congress can indict, because the AG has ruled that a sitting President is, in their judgement, above the law. Congress now has the opportunity to decide whether the President is above the law or not. There is literally no precedence for this, because Nixon resigned before the question could be answered.
The report also concludes that after Trump leaves office, prosecutors could re-examine the evidence which could “potentially result in a judgment that the president committed crimes.” Because then as NOT a sitting President he would no longer be above the law.
There is evidence sufficient to indict anyone except for the sitting President during a time when the AG has decided that sitting Presidents can’t be indicted by his department, so once Trump is no longer a sitting President, the AG won’t be able to protect him.
So the dozen ongoing investigations that were spawned by the Special Counsel will continue to grind their wheels, and Congress will now decide whether to apply “checks and balances”.
This just makes me hope all the more he loses next year. I want to see what happens when the sycophants he’s surrounded himself with can no longer protect him.
 
Also, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. I hope history remembers him exactly as he deserves, and treats him exactly as he deserves too.
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That going to backfire on Trump ass spectacularly.He clearly tried to “corruptly exercised his powers to obstruct justice”.Granted,he didnt colluded for Russia and his bromance for Putin is apparently motivated by a childish attraction for anything that sparkle and use brute,authoritarian force but the 100000 dollars question now is :what did he tried so hard to hide ?
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So now that the full version of the Mueller report has been released, does anybody still think there was collusion or obstruction?
Or is Barr now part of the conspiracy, too?
Remember, it’s not Barr’s report, it’s Muellers’, Barr has only been responsible for releasing the report, after making necessary redactions, and given the findings of the report, has decided there’s not enough evidence to prosecute.
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So you’re of the opinion that Barr is corrupt, and therefore not fit to be AG, because he what, criticized the Mueller investigation? Does the investigation not deserve to be criticized? It was started because of a fraudulent dossier; a piece of oppo research paid for by the Clinton campaign.
In case you forgot, Hillary Clinton was the most corrupt candidate to ever run for office.
 
Am I the only one who remembers how you used to champion this investigation as if it were already ‘another Watergate’ several months back?
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This is gonna further poison negotiations over Brexit, I can feel it.  
Thankfully they bought themselves six more months from the EU, but given how things are going, I’m not sure it’s gonna do a lot of good for them.
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How Kafkaesque can this world get. Trump is exonerated for collusion only to be accused of colluding to obstruct the investigation that found no collusion to begin with. Talk about a snake eating it’s own tail.
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Well, he clearly TRIED to collude. He’s just really bad at it. Plus everyone working for him did what they could to keep him “between the lines” and simply refused to do what he was ordering them to do.
 
@Ereiam  
This whole Brexit deal is making the Doctor Who episode where the U.K. was the last nation to leave the Earth when the sun dies make so much more sense. When I first watched that I found it unbelievable that the U.K. would wait until it was otherwise too late to leave the doomed Earth and their children were dying in the streets, and only a horrific set of unethical choices that no one wanted to ever remember or talk about could save them. But after the Brexit debacle? Yeah .. that makes sense now.
 
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No. We all remember that. It’s part of why they are so irritating to talk to. Whatever they insist is irretrievably stupid today will be tomorrow’s brilliant new undeniable “truth” that has to be defended at all costs.
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Before January 20, 2021? Not at all. His own AG and DOJ has already declared him above the law, and even if charges were put forward you’d have to get Republicans to turn against their Fuhrer. Quite frankly he’s untouchable as president.
 
If the Democrats do the impossible and not completely suck, then on Janurary 21, 2021 he’s all kinds of screwed as even the Republicans would have no choice but to pull a “You have outlived your usefulness” if only to save face after the fact.
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Not.
 
In fact he’s probably going to get re-elected, I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t.  
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@Dustcan  
Before January 20, 2021? Not at all. His own AG and DOJ has already declared him above the law
 
That’s not what happened. He was found to not have colluded (conspiracy) or obstructed the investigation…that found he didn’t conspire.
 
No indictments, no impeachment, no nothing. The investigation is over and people still think he did something wrong. Why bother having an investigation in the first place, if you’re just going to ignore the results?
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