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None of those 3 became karma houdini’s when karma applied, like it should have for Twilight, but she did become a karma houdini then and many other times.
The Mane 6 have solid backstories and strong episodes that support their emotional and powerful personalities. Young, extreme personalities are bound to have their triggers with things that they value most in life. While it wasn’t an analogy for death, when Rainbow Dash found out Applejack wasn’t coming back in the last round up, she took charge of the group and did everything in her power to get her back. When Rainbow Dash outright refused to go back because of Pinkie
Starlight never went nuts, which is a big distinction, and one scary distinction. She’s an adult, a cunning manipulator, and also has a very strong ideology that still has some grounds in reality AND morality. She has the mind of a revolutionary. She is fully familiar with the preachy, ‘we can all be friends’ methods Twilight offered in the season premier, and from her perspective prior to the rushed ending, they don’t carry any weight with the problems she’s found with the system that’s effected both herself AND others she found.
The development of such an ideology from the norm should have a backstory strong enough to match, but Starlight’s backstory was as solid as tissue paper. That, and making her complete turnaround to perfect best friend the easiest thing ever, made her development fall flat.
You are being overly strawman and ignoring the real issues. Of course people have different opinions. But opinions build up, like the Twilight Saga and Michael Bay Transformers movies. For some things, people build general negative consensus, even among the writers of the thing.
That’s simply being evasive. ‘I don’t really let it get to me’ is not a real answer. If you truly like something, you should have solid answers for why you thinked it really worked, not try to find excuses for something being ‘servicible’. I liked the finale too, at least the first 35 minutes of it. That doesn’t require me to like or make excuses for the rest that didn’t work for most, merely including myself.
But like you said, its your opinion. (shrug) I just wanted to make sure you had actually thought your own opinion through, and whether you had a strong reason for liking it I and others missed watching it the first time.
@Evowizard25
You think I don’t feel the same way about Lesson Zero? As funny as her cracked personality was, the fact that she wasn’t reprimanded at all for taking her paranoia out on the rest of town, even on children, left a sour taste in my mouth. I am also an older brother of a younger sister, two in fact. The only reason I didn’t hate the episode initially was I thought Celestia was using this as an opportunity to flush out the strengths and connections with the other 5. Sure she was manipulating the situation cause Celestia never gets emotionally invested, but what else is new. It was Season 2, it was expected she’d still manipulate situations if its for their own benefit.
But when Crystal Empire came rolling around, and Twilight’s lessons started taking more and more precedence over not just the other 5, but the safety of the entire kingdom, was when I really started to dislike Lesson Zero’s ending message. Plus, the message of Season 3 and Season 4 that would allow Twilight to go along with such plans made me develop a lot of distaste for Twilight(and Celestia) because there was less about her, as a protagonist, that I could cheer for. She was simply not a heroic or morally relatable character for a while.
You think I don’t feel the same way about Lesson Zero? As funny as her cracked personality was, the fact that she wasn’t reprimanded at all for taking her paranoia out on the rest of town, even on children, left a sour taste in my mouth. I am also an older brother of a younger sister, two in fact. The only reason I didn’t hate the episode initially was I thought Celestia was using this as an opportunity to flush out the strengths and connections with the other 5. Sure she was manipulating the situation cause Celestia never gets emotionally invested, but what else is new. It was Season 2, it was expected she’d still manipulate situations if its for their own benefit.
But when Crystal Empire came rolling around, and Twilight’s lessons started taking more and more precedence over not just the other 5, but the safety of the entire kingdom, was when I really started to dislike Lesson Zero’s ending message. Plus, the message of Season 3 and Season 4 that would allow Twilight to go along with such plans made me develop a lot of distaste for Twilight(and Celestia) because there was less about her, as a protagonist, that I could cheer for. She was simply not a heroic or morally relatable character for a while.
Pinkie Pie went insane in one afternoon because of a perceived loss of her friends. She thought inanimate objects were talking to her.Fluttershy went off her rocker because some animals didn’t want to be near her, so she decides that she needs to trap them in order to gain their friendship.Rainbow Dash, in order to help her Turtle, sabotages the nationwide winter factory.
None of those 3 became karma houdini’s when karma applied, like it should have for Twilight, but she did become a karma houdini then and many other times.
Ponies are nuts. The event we see is just the first domino falling for Starlight at a young age and given what our heroes have done, I’m not holding it against her.
The Mane 6 have solid backstories and strong episodes that support their emotional and powerful personalities. Young, extreme personalities are bound to have their triggers with things that they value most in life. While it wasn’t an analogy for death, when Rainbow Dash found out Applejack wasn’t coming back in the last round up, she took charge of the group and did everything in her power to get her back. When Rainbow Dash outright refused to go back because of Pinkie
Starlight never went nuts, which is a big distinction, and one scary distinction. She’s an adult, a cunning manipulator, and also has a very strong ideology that still has some grounds in reality AND morality. She has the mind of a revolutionary. She is fully familiar with the preachy, ‘we can all be friends’ methods Twilight offered in the season premier, and from her perspective prior to the rushed ending, they don’t carry any weight with the problems she’s found with the system that’s effected both herself AND others she found.
The development of such an ideology from the norm should have a backstory strong enough to match, but Starlight’s backstory was as solid as tissue paper. That, and making her complete turnaround to perfect best friend the easiest thing ever, made her development fall flat.
Nor should an opinion of an episode be mocked. MMC did have a rushed feel, but I thought the music made up for it and gave the episode great feeling and depth, nor was I peeved off with Twilight’s ascension. I don’t consider it my favorite finale, but I liked it well enough and I know plenty of other people who do.“Opinions are like asshole, everyone has their own.” = Nostalgia Critic.There are going to be some people who don’t like, or do like certain things.
You are being overly strawman and ignoring the real issues. Of course people have different opinions. But opinions build up, like the Twilight Saga and Michael Bay Transformers movies. For some things, people build general negative consensus, even among the writers of the thing.
Do I think her backstory was weak? Given how other antagonists have had weak backstories and this is just one instance and she didn’t just become evil overnight, I don’t really let it get to me.
That’s simply being evasive. ‘I don’t really let it get to me’ is not a real answer. If you truly like something, you should have solid answers for why you thinked it really worked, not try to find excuses for something being ‘servicible’. I liked the finale too, at least the first 35 minutes of it. That doesn’t require me to like or make excuses for the rest that didn’t work for most, merely including myself.
But like you said, its your opinion. (shrug) I just wanted to make sure you had actually thought your own opinion through, and whether you had a strong reason for liking it I and others missed watching it the first time.
