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Drama King

“You’re the one who scammed my sister out of her party cannon, and gave her a piece of stolen merchandise which could have gotten her–or me–in trouble with the law?”  
“Yeah??? So what??? You want it back? Too bad; no refunds!”  
“…Omae wa mou shindeiru…”  
“NANI…?!”
Background Pony #B265
Just passing by searching for Maud pics, and I end up reading 100+ comments in a heated debate xD
 
I might be a little late, but on the off chance anyone does happen to come back here, I just wanna say I completely agree with the Anon. Maud Pie’s initial action of firmly requesting the cannon back in exchange for the pouch was perfectly fine. But as soon as Rarity added in the indirect threat, and Maud did not back down even after Rarity’s little comment, I found that extremely unpleasant to watch. It very clearly WAS forcing Street Rat into a non-consentual transaction. That is obviously morally questionable, at best, even if the intent was to help Pinkie in the process. Now, Street Rat himself was guilty of a moral wrongdoing when he took advantage of Pinkie’s situation. But, the bottom line is, she agreed with his terms in the end, without any threats on his part, so that’s her loss. I have done tons of wheeling and dealing in a few MMOs back in the day (namely Dragon Ball Online TW and Tera), and I can tell you right now, you’ve gotta take advantage of situations if you wanna get anywhere. It’s all the art of the deal; if you really want something from someone, best not let them know how desperate you are for it. If you are simply impatient or you just NEED whatever it is for whatever reason, you better believe you’re gonna pay a hella lot more than the thing is worth. In my personal opinion, Pinkie should have taken the loss instead of allowing Maud and Rarity to play against the rules/ laws in order to correct her mistake. Seeing Pinkie step in to stop them from harassing Street Rat would have been extremely preferable to the actual conclusion we got. It would have built up Pinkie’s character quite nicely, if you ask me ^^
 
~ChocolateCrane (sorry I was to lazy to make an account lol)
 
I wouldn’t necessarily say anyone was “OoC” here, however. As one of the mods said, Rarity is well known for doing this kinda shit in the past, and Maud is just… well… MAUD.
Background Pony #C411
Reading this thread, I have but one thought that comes to mind:
 
What do the participants here think of Iron Will?
untraceablelarry

Wow… Street Rat has a lot of fans. I can’t believe that so many people think the first trade is perfectly ethical, but the goddamn joke of the second trade is somehow evil…
Background Pony #1682
@Pagan  
Also headcanon. All we’ve seen him do is make a trade; people just assume that it was massively unfair or that he’s a “complete asshole who should have his teeth kicked in”. I wonder how you’d react if they had violently beaten him until he was lying broken and bloody on the pavement, like you say he “deserves”.
 
Wow, this whole “the joking is deserved because the victim had a bad attitude” thing makes this even more familiar.
Pagan

Gay Viking
@Background Pony #5EB0  
Well when I watch the next episode and Rarity is doing her thing and Pinkie’s doing hers and she has her party canon and everything is as it should I’ll remember how wrong I was for thinking Rarity giving a complete asshole some come upins was a good thing.
Background Pony #1682
@Pagan  
Well, according to the show canon Rarity and Maud stole someone’s possessions using threats and intimidation. Headcanon would be assuming they didn’t mean anything by their threats (which doesn’t change what they did) or that the value of the two items are so ridiculously far apart that they couldn’t possibly be a fair trade (which isn’t implied by any evidence we have).
 
This reminds me of several other arguments that seem to pop up in various places, where one side says that it’s okay for them (and only them) to do horrible things because they think of it as “just joking” (which similarly doesn’t change what they actually do) and the other side is repeatedly accused of “making up” problems just to complain for no reason (or various other, far more sinister fabricated motives) even when all logic and evidence suggests that the problems they complain about do exist in some way.
Pagan

Gay Viking
@Background Pony #5EB0  
I literally don’t care anymore respond to someone else I’m just going to keep to the show canon and not headcanons and I couldn’t care less if you people think less of the characters for doing the right thing I just don’t care.
Background Pony #1682
@Pagan  
We know that her intent was to intimidate him with dire threats until he agreed to a trade he was otherwise totally unwilling to do. It doesn’t matter whether she was thinking “I don’t really mean this” or “I mean something silly and harmless”, because she still wanted him to be scared like he was. The sort of “clever” thinking you’re attributing to her (without solid evidence, mind you) is a purely internal difference that does nothing to change effects or moral implications of her actions; the factors that make her “real intent” unknowable also make it irrelevant.
 
The only way her intent would matter is if she had somehow terrified him into submission by accident, in which case the moral thing to do would be to assure him that they didn’t actually want to do whatever it was he thought they were threatening him with, instead of taking advantage of his fear (which is very different from him taking advantage of Pinkie Pie wanting what he was offering). Furthermore, we have no reason to believe that it was an accident, and strong reasons to believe it was deliberate.
Pagan

Gay Viking
@Background Pony #5EB0  
No she hasn’t she only got physical with another pony once and she was discorded she didn’t steal anything she’s generosity incarnate she is however manipulative and that literally does nothing to help you.
 
If you don’t like Rarity go make a meme or something no one cares about these made up problems you’re obsessed with.
Pagan

Gay Viking
@DragonWraith  
He said multiple times the intent was to cause violence.
 
And no if RD didn’t get in trouble for destroying a factory Rarity isn’t going to get in trouble for dishing out karmic justice.
 
I’m just going to continue watching the show knowing what’s happened happened and nothing we say here will change that and that Rarity, Maud and Pinkie are still good.
Background Pony #1682
@Pagan  
I’m not talking about what we don’t know, I’m talking about what we do know. We know that Maud and Rarity threatened him with something vague but implicitly horrible, that he assumed it was as bad as they implied, and that he agreed to the trade only out of fear. The unknowns you’re bringing up are irrelevant; it’s their known effects that matter. Even if Rarity was thinking about something silly like pouring sand in his hair when she made the threats, that doesn’t change what she actually said and implied. And even if he was thinking of something equally silly, he was still afraid of it.
 
We can only guess the trivial details of what they were thinking, but the bottom line is that he was intimidated into giving up something he wanted to keep in exchange for something he didn’t want. This is no “taste of his own medicine” because he did nothing of the sort to Pinkie Pie. An actual example of “karmic justice” would be if he suddenly decided he really wanted that rock pouch for some reason and asked for it back, and Maud wouldn’t give it to him unless he gave pack Pinkie’s party cannon, but what actually happened is something else entirely.
 
Also, Rarity isn’t as innocent and pure as you describe. There are past occasions where she has resorted to threats, violence, and even outright theft.
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@Pagan  
She could be prosecuted for her actions, though.
 
Also, @Fwelin never claimed to know her intent. The implication of her actions is what would get her in trouble.