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AC97
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

@Eroraf86

Sorry, sorry, I erm… decided I was done with that.

I probably made a mistake by continuing beyond a certain point, and I've moved on. I should've listened to that internal voice saying "this might not be a great idea, continuing."
Eroraf86

@AC97
@radostt
Holy moly, I did NOT realize what a minefield this would turn into when I commented a year ago. AC, let it go. Radostt, take a deep breath. Look at the cute kite-loving pony. Imagine rubbing that fuzzy tummy and squishing those adorable cheeks. Feel better now?
radostt
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

Plow stops for no man.
@AC97
IF i didn't like you i wouldn't read to and sometime reply to your stuff outside this thread.
Its called boundaries, I stopped feeling conformable discussing here any further.
My opinions of you are quite high; I think you are one of the scholarly people around here.
Yours just fight every battle, and it never feels like you resign your point. So whats the point in arguing if it's just going to go on forever.
A criticism I have for you is you won't let things go. I knew you would see my replies as a chance to ignite this again. Is this really a battle worth fighting?
You have a tendency to push things to far to be acceptable for anyone but yourself. The amount of times I have seen you quote someone is kind of a meme.
I am sorry i said those mean things to you. I really didn't mean it. There are a lot of other things going on in my life, and it was wrong of me to take my anger out on you.
AC97
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

@radostt

I still didn't read anything you wrote but the quotes. Stop it!
I don't have to read your horseshit if i don't want to.


Maybe you need to take a look inward, I would appreciate if you let the hate for me go.
I don't read your messages because I don't want your energy, go elsewhere.
I can actually feel the fucking hate you have for me; how does that make you feel?
Your a monster to me.


…why'd you jump to "they obviously hate me" if you're not reading what I have to say, trying to understand?

I didn't just drop all civilities and say "you're talking horseshit," in the way you did.

And am I not allowed to be a sporadic thread frequenter/poster, without it being a grudge, regarding the Starlight thread?
AC97
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

@radostt

I didn't even read your most recent post.


Oh boy…

I was saying most healthy people can cure minor mental illnesses that arise through basic lifestyle changes and communication.


Then is someone with Aspergers (moi would be amongst them) "healthy" and can easily cure it that way, or are you of the opinion that they have a "mental disability," "disabled" being the most appropriate thing to say regarding them?

Also, "cure" the mental illnesses, like that, as a general rule? You're being presumptuous, are not all that knowledgeable on the matter, are you?

I mean, I'm not claiming to be an expert either, but correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm doubtful you'd say "psychology is kind of a bust" if you were particularly interested in it? Just wondering.

guess I'm not getting the answer to "what's a 'healthy person'"

I just cant stand fighting this argument anymore, and you took several days to reply.


I doubt you'd care about anything I have to say anyhow; you'd basically already admitted as such earlier, in the first quoted text, right?

I'm of the opinion that seeing aspects of mental conditions in characters is interesting, like for instance, characters being insensitive by accident (for instance, Twilight, and on different occasions Starlight), is something that's relatable to someone with autism, like me. (And no, I don't have BPD)

I mean, it's fine to disagree with that, in any case, but that's where I was coming from.

edited to add:

Anyway, I'm probably done here too.
radostt
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

Plow stops for no man.
@AC97
No what i am saying is lets not play doctor here. I didn't even read your most recent post.
I was saying most healthy people can cure minor mental illnesses that arise through basic lifestyle changes and communication.
I just cant stand fighting this argument anymore, and you took several days to reply.
Starlight thought her village was a sanctuary. Its classic hold onto an illusion because of traumatic experience.
Starlight was tramatized when her friend abandon her when Sunburst got his cutie mark and discovered what made him special.
The object of Starlight's obsession was cutie marks because she thought ponies differences would tear them apart.
Twilight is her guide to the right path, showing her as living proof that ponies can be happy when they put aside their differences.
Other characters just like Starlight are, Zuko from Avatar the last Airbender, Uncle Ruckus from Boondocks and so on.
trauma triggers them to believe in a lie that from an outside perspective is obviously fake. But you cant just tell them that, they need to see it themselves. Then they feel guilt and get over it by forming meaningful relationships(friendships)
These characters are very emotionally driven.
She is chaotic good, and her element is fire.
If you honestly think this is a mental case then i disagree, it's that simple.
@Havock
Right idea.
AC97
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

@Havock

Yes, but I like to overthink things sometimes… and the topic kinda drifted mostly off of "MLP" after a certain point, because I took issue with what they said, perhaps on a personal level to an extent.

Can you not see the possible minefield involved with saying "Most of what people have wrong with them is self indulgence and an inflated ego," with the topic of psychology?
AC97
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

@radostt

Okay… I just have to wonder… what about Starlight's backstory gives the idea that she's "mentally healthy/normal/typical?" Is it not highly disproportionate, whether there were other factors involved in her path to villainy or not?

Whether you deny it or not, quite a bit of it checks out with what I mentioned (and heavens no, she isn't narcissistic, or antisocial, that is to say a sociopath, everything about her is antithetical to falling under that, nor is she depressed really; Trixie's far, far closer to being narcissistic than her).

But more importantly… explain your reasoning for this:

Plus I think psychology is kind of a bust. Any healthy person can work through their problems with a good psychologist in 2 weeks — 2 months. Most of what people have wrong with them is self indulgence and an inflated ego.


How do you define "healthy person?" Where is the line drawn in that? Is someone suffering from "depression" a "healthy person," or do they fall under "mental disability?"

Hypothetically, how about say, someone who has a case of mild autism, do they fall under a case of "mental disability," or are they a "healthy person" who can work through it in a "couple weeks to couple months?"

Plus, if psychology is "kind of a bust" in your opinion, then why would you need a psychologist? Isn't that viewpoint kinda self-contradictory?

Also, the last above quoted sentence is… perhaps questionable, shall I say?

No one can really understand someones true motives.


I fundamentally disagree with that, but it can vary one how much you know about them, if you can understand/know them. If you don't say, know someone is a sociopath, and the underlying patterns associated, you don't have an accurate grasp of their motives, their MO, because chances are, they've probably misrepresented themselves with you, but if you do, you can grasp their motives, if you've had enough time and information to do so.
radostt
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

Plow stops for no man.
@AC97
Are we not all mental to some degree? How is she going to learn anything if she is perfect? Plus I think psychology is kind of a bust. Any healthy person can work through their problems with a good psychologist in 2 weeks — 2 months. Most of what people have wrong with them is self indulgence and an inflated ego. psychologist always want to treat human behavior like mental disability. I think psychology can be really helpful for the people that actually have real mental disability; But the labeling it leads to can be toxic. No one can really understand someones true motives.
I think what you are trying to describe is that Starlight doesn't always think things through, she needs to have a better plan. If we are talking psychology, what your describing to me sounds more like PTSD. That is just IMO I am no expert. BPD doesn't sound like what Starlight's "damage" is. I mean by the end Starlight got over it, she felt remorse. Plus she made friends with Sunburst again. Starlight being a counselor was sort of her talking through her trauma.
AC97
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

@radostt

You misunderstood.

I meant Borderline Personality Disorder (what "BPD" stands for), not Bipolar disorder (which I'm basically certain she doesn't have), and a lot of traits she has or had lines up with it, certainly much, much more so than ASPD, which is characterized by no remorse (volatile and intense emotions, serious abandonment issues, unstable relationships, impulsivity, risk-taking behavior… list goes on).

She did get much better either way, which isn't entirely unrealistic, either.

(And I'm not sure that "mental disability" is the best term in this case, so much as… "mental disorder")
radostt
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

Plow stops for no man.
@AC97
I disagree, i don't think mental disability is what the writers were trying to say. I think she feels regret, and sometimes that can lead to her feeling inadequate.
I definitely don't think she is bypolar. More like stressed and struggling to prioritize work & friendship.
Dsiak
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
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@radostt
The problem is that the consequences don't hold up to her crimes. In fact she pretty much got rewarded for all her felonies.

I'm glad she is a good horse now but boi oh boi most ponies would get in trouble if they were to brainwash a village using powerful crippling spells then proceed to try and assassinate the princess and destroy the entire timeline.

That's, like, 300+ years in jail without royal pardon.
radostt
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

Plow stops for no man.
@Eroraf86
If she was a sociopaths wouldn't she be antisocial? One of the shows themes is redemption through friendship, its not a lack of consequences. She clearly regrets what she did, and she takes her friendships very seriously.
Background Pony #D3A5
Her problem is being impulsive, not "solving her problems with magic"
Magic is just a tool and the show has not established it as being a bad way to solve problems, other characters do it all the time.
AC97
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

@Dsiak

Seriously, how many times has she unequivocally solved the episode's problem with her magic alone? You can probably count them on one hand, if you lost a couple of fingers.