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The Devil's Advocate
He did. You are not seeing this because you operate in absolutes. To you “I will impregnate you and make you into a housewife because I do not want to lose you” and “I want you to move out of that toxic junkyard and go to rehab center, so neither I nor Apogee will lose you” are both the same.
 
He still does the same mistake tough. He is trying to affect Delta’s life, even if she doesn’t want it. If he’d change, he would respect his ex-marefriend choice. She seems pretty healthy for her lifestyle tough, as we haven’t seen her suffer from her enviorment. She doesn’t cough, isn’t shown to be drinking at every occasion and her body has probably developed some sort of immunity to the bacteria in the junkyard. She isn’t exceptionaly thin (quite the opposite), which leads me to belive that she isn’t hungry too. Her life may be a mess, but it might not be that medically bad for her, which goes against my previous theory.  
Hopefully there are no radfems to read this.
I you wrote this in comment section under some sort of article about “women having problem with jobs because of materinty leaves” then you would be DESTORYED and downvoted to oblivio
 
Honestly, I don’t care what radical feminists think. Besides the fact that you are talking about a completly diffrent issue (Delta wasn’t working for anyone when she had Apogee, so it doesn’t count as “maternity leave”) it’s still against the interests of the employer. If he can hire a mare who soon would have a kid or a stallion (or mare) who do not plan to have kids, the choice is obvious. Interests of a employer have to be also looked after, not only those of a worker. He has to make money too, he can’t keep a spot for a mare who doesn’t do her job for the company, as she is just a waste of space and resource. Unless she is very “valuable” (like Delta, due to her intelect and ideas) it makes no sense to not replace her with someone else, who can actually do thier job.  
You are aware there are VERY few wives that have “huge effect” on husbands carrier? And these that do don’t want to be famous?
When somebody writes article or a biography about somebody famous, then EVERYTHING that helped them achieve their position counts. Even parents are pestered with interviews.
Which is why I wrote that the only way everything makes sense if Jet did not mention Delta at all. Which would be not in-character.
 
How can you know that? You don’t know how the time would went on if those people wouldn’t marry those women. Even the simplest of choices or things can change the history forever. They may not even be aware of how much they profited thanks to thier significant other. Yes, families are often interviewed, but they never reach the fame of the “famous one” in the family.  
It’s also worth to note, that back then, Jet wasn’t famous yet. He got famous around a year after he broke up with Delta. It makes it even less likely for anyone but him to be noted by everypony else.  
Really? Last party with alcohol and unfamiliar stallions, last time seeing Jet, and she had NO asecurance? What if both of them got drunk, Jet and her went to sleep and some stallion had “sleepy sex” with her? Or somebody gave them rape pills and used them?
Seriously, She is not “naive”, she is “stupid”. (and no, do not use “muh Jet” as an exciuse for her lack of brains)
 
That does not excuse her. There are plenty “taken” women on a pill or other contaceptive just so they can have safe sex without condoms or be sure they won’t be pregnant without their consent. It is like Delta had no sex-ed. It is so stupid.
 
I confess, I messed up.  
They haven’t went to the party, but decided to get some drinks instead. Which ended up in Delta being drunk and Jet staying relatively sober. There was no reason for Delta to think that Jet would have some “alterior motives” for that, besides just wanting to hang out for the last day.  
 
Are they canon?
I constantly have problem with what is canon and what not. I really wish there was “canon” tag here.
 
I think? Her friendship with Cream Heart and Trash seems to be 100% cannon, as it was shown in the comics, but I’m not sure. I think it’s kinda like with IDW comics and MLP cannon:  
“Unless it’s stated otherwise, it’s cannon”  
I mean, it’s all Shino’s art, so unless he says it’s not, I think we could asume it’s cannon.  
Which is HILARIOUS as this will mean that she will lose these friendships very quickly. I mean, one of core tenents of friendships is that friend CARE about each other. And if you see that your friend is addicted to various drugs, has eye problems and works in bad conditions then you would want to CHANGE their lives for better.
 
Again, Delta seems to be doing pretty much alright. If her life was in danger, I think she’d be shown to have health problems after 10 years of living in junk. She isn’t drinking all that much, she isn’t smoking alot and she seems to be resistant to the bacterias in the junkyard. Honestly, what seems to be the most dangerous to her, is the fact that she might get injured due to her poor eyesight. Other things don’t seem to harm her.
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Jet hasn’t changed at all.
 
He did. You are not seeing this because you operate in absolutes. To you “I will impregnate you and make you into a housewife because I do not want to lose you” and “I want you to move out of that toxic junkyard and go to rehab center, so neither I nor Apogee will lose you” are both the same.  
Those companies didn’t have to know about the real reason.
 
Yes they do, especially when “maternity leaves” are concerned.  
I see no bigotry here. Mrs. Cake has twins and yet it doesn’t mess with her ability to work.
 
When I wrote “Equestria” I meant “Shino-equestria”, not actual Equestria. My bad.  
And from the perspective of the companies, why should they care if she has a baby or not? It’s not a bigotry. She is just a “worker who may or may not do her job due to certain circumstances”. Why should they care about her having a kid? They have a job to do and they need it to be done. If there is someone more reliable than a “young mother” they should have full right to employ them instead, as they will be much better in achiving thier goal.
 
Hopefully there are no radfems to read this.  
I you wrote this in comment section under some sort of article about “women having problem with jobs because of materinty leaves” then you would be DESTORYED and downvoted to oblivion.  
Even tough, they have huge affect on the decisions of thier husbands, they still are left much less famous than them.
 
You are aware there are VERY few wives that have “huge effect” on husbands carrier? And these that do don’t want to be famous?  
When somebody writes article or a biography about somebody famous, then EVERYTHING that helped them achieve their position counts. Even parents are pestered with interviews.  
Which is why I wrote that the only way everything makes sense if Jet did not mention Delta at all. Which would be not in-character.  
She was going to the party to spend some time with Jet, right before she was about to leave him. She had no intentions related to sex, since she knew it could doom her carrer.
 
Really? Last party with alcohol and unfamiliar stallions, last time seeing Jet, and she had NO asecurance? What if both of them got drunk, Jet and her went to sleep and some stallion had “sleepy sex” with her? Or somebody gave them rape pills and used them?  
Seriously, She is not “naive”, she is “stupid”. (and no, do not use “muh Jet” as an exciuse for her lack of brains)  
Remember, she went there with Jet. A pony she trusted deeply (after few years in a relationship)
 
That does not excuse her. There are plenty “taken” women on a pill or other contaceptive just so they can have safe sex without condoms or be sure they won’t be pregnant without their consent. It is like Delta had no sex-ed. It is so stupid.  
Mostly her relationship with Trash, Cream Heart and ability to “befriend” other ponies in a bar rather quickly and without a problem.
 
Are they canon?  
I constantly have problem with what is canon and what not. I really wish there was “canon” tag here.  
This suggests she is actually rather good at getting and keeping friendships, as long as they won’t start trying to “change her”.
 
Which is HILARIOUS as this will mean that she will lose these friendships very quickly. I mean, one of core tenents of friendships is that friend CARE about each other. And if you see that your friend is addicted to various drugs, has eye problems and works in bad conditions then you would want to CHANGE their lives for better.
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The Devil's Advocate
Her “naivety” is based on the fact, that the only thing holding her dream back is her mother’s hatred.
Jet is already regretful and willing to change. The only thing missing is Delta’s willingness to change. (and don’t get me crap about “lovelessness” again)
 
Jet hasn’t changed at all. He still does what he did previously. He tries to dictate how Delta should live her life. He done that once, and he lost her. He should have “change” and do things diffrently this time. It’s still the same, selfish “I know what’s good for you better than you do”.  
Pregnancy is not a “whim”.
 
Those companies didn’t have to know about the real reason.  
This would be only true if “shino-verse” had gender related bigotry.
Like I said earlier it was a norm for female to take a few years to raise a child, then come back to resume working.
Only somewhat recently, because of the whole “late stage capitalism”, one could see emergence of male favoritism because of the whole “cannot get pregnant” thing.
I mean, the setting is a technologically advanced Equestria, ruled by FEMALE for a 1000 years. I doubt Celestia would have allowed that.
 
I see no bigotry here. Mrs. Cake has twins and yet it doesn’t mess with her ability to work.  
And from the perspective of the companies, why should they care if she has a baby or not? It’s not a bigotry. She is just a “worker who may or may not do her job due to certain circumstances”. Why should they care about her having a kid? They have a job to do and they need it to be done. If there is someone more reliable than a “young mother” they should have full right to employ them instead, as they will be much better in achiving thier goal.  
…where the heck are you living if you think this is true? Where I live, if somebody important states something like “my carrier was possible thanks to my talented wife”, then the media flock to that person for interviews and additional info.
Seriously, lets just assume that this is a plothole that will be fixed in the future.
 
Everywhere it’s the same. How much do you know about the wifes of the famous musicians and politicians? Are they as important in the media as thier siginificant others? No, they aren’t. Even tough, they have huge affect on the decisions of thier husbands, they still are left much less famous than them.  
Right, because there are only condoms as a protection. Hormonal pills don’t exist, IUD don’t exist, alchemical/magical means don’t exist… Gods this setting sucks.
 
She was going to the party to spend some time with Jet, right before she was about to leave him. She had no intentions related to sex, since she knew it could doom her carrer.  
So you imply that Delta had no sexual education? That she never heard of stories about mares who went to party, got drunk, passed out and finally end up in maternity ward? She never figured out that her having a sore ass is a result of Jet sloply fucking her after she passed out?
Dear dark gods, how sheltered Delta would have to be for this to be true?
 
Remember, she went there with Jet. A pony she trusted deeply (after few years in a relationship) and probably assumed that he would protect her if anything bad were to happen. You know, kinda like everyone expects of thier significant other on a party. He also didn’t have to go “rough” with her. His intention seems to have been only to get her pregnant, of which she didn’t know right after it happend. She probably found out few days after, when useing anything besides abortion wouldn’t work. What we are sure of, is that she didn’t get pregnant with her own consent.  
 
I have no idea what you base that on.
 
Mostly her relationship with Trash, Cream Heart and ability to “befriend” other ponies in a bar rather quickly and without a problem. This suggests she is actually rather good at getting and keeping friendships, as long as they won’t start trying to “change her”.  
Project leader has to have leadership skills and have sound judgement. Delta probably lacks both.
 
Since she in an employer (I “belive” Trash works for her) and a head of the Junkyard, she posseses those skills. She has to be able to organize work and decide what’s “worth something” or not. She has ability to sway stallions in the bar and knows when to pull out of a conversation when the topic “isn’t worth it”.
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@clopficsinthecomments  
How? By writing clopfics?  
Tell us your secret, wizard of words!
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His ideas, his creation his story.
 
But I do help with the words!!
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Not sure, but Apogee knows Delta for a few years now, so she shouldn’t be that “unfamiliar” with her mom’s behaviour. Nothing explains her naivity.
 
Her “naivety” is based on the fact, that the only thing holding her dream back is her mother’s hatred.  
Jet is already regretful and willing to change. The only thing missing is Delta’s willingness to change. (and don’t get me crap about “lovelessness” again)  
The corporation could assume that she may not be a “loyal worker” if she can decline on a whim.
 
Pregnancy is not a “whim”.  
They could later spread that info in the related community, so other companies would have doubts about her. This one choice essentially made her infamous in her “job” (as she came out as random; a pony who works for something really hard, just to decline the offer last minute).
 
This would be only true if “shino-verse” had gender related bigotry.  
Like I said earlier it was a norm for female to take a few years to raise a child, then come back to resume working.  
Only somewhat recently, because of the whole “late stage capitalism”, one could see emergence of male favoritism because of the whole “cannot get pregnant” thing.  
I mean, the setting is a technologically advanced Equestria, ruled by FEMALE for a 1000 years. I doubt Celestia would have allowed that.  
Having only Jet’s word for “Delta’s Involvement” could be easily taken as him trying to be nice and say something good about his marefriend. You see that happen quite alot in TV, when famous people say that thier significant other has huge influence on them, but it’s rarely taken as something beyond simple “niceness”.
 
…where the heck are you living if you think this is true? Where I live, if somebody important states something like “my carrier was possible thanks to my talented wife”, then the media flock to that person for interviews and additional info.  
Seriously, lets just assume that this is a plothole that will be fixed in the future.  
She didn’t use any protection as she was drunk at that time.
 
Right, because there are only condoms as a protection. Hormonal pills don’t exist, IUD don’t exist, alchemical/magical means don’t exist… Gods this setting sucks.  
With the state she was in (possibly first time drunk), it’s very easy to assume that she had no idea what happend last night, untill it was too late to change it.
 
So you imply that Delta had no sexual education? That she never heard of stories about mares who went to party, got drunk, passed out and finally end up in maternity ward? She never figured out that her having a sore ass is a result of Jet sloply fucking her after she passed out?  
Dear dark gods, how sheltered Delta would have to be for this to be true?  
The only thing she has issues with, is “entitled” ponies. She gets along pretty well with everyone who doesn’t think of themselves as much of a superior.
 
I have no idea what you base that on.  
With Delta’s knowlege and abilities, It’s easy to assume that she’d become the project leader.
 
Project leader has to have leadership skills and have sound judgement. Delta probably lacks both.
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@clopficsinthecomments  
Wait.  
If I understood you completely, you are writer to this comic?  
I thought that this comic was a opus magnum of Shino alone.
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@clopficsinthecomments  
Thanks for the insight! And that is why I love this comic and its characters; imperfect characters are so much more interesting, and that is why I find myself invested in seeing what happens. Whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant, because the say I see it, it’s about the journey getting there.
 
Looking forward to more. :)
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Hi there, I’m the writer. Happy to answer any questions y’all may have, though I’d caution everyone to avoid judging anypony. Characters are characters precisely because they’re interesting and imperfect.
 
Delta has her flaws, some of which have origins in her betrayal, some of which have origins with herself.
 
With respect to Delta, her inability to get further employment is really mostly on her. Sure there’s a bit of baggage from her declined role with EQSA and finishing her interning out of school… But mostly she hasn’t gotten back into it because she was very self-destructive with alcohol and substances.
 
She’s not perfect.
 
This story is about her dysfunctional little family and perhaps an attempt to piece her life back together.
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@AWGear  
Fair points. Though I’m seeing the junkyard as a visual metaphor to what Delta views her life as it has become. A junk heap.
 
And I don’t think it’s apples to oranges, honestly. I’ve personally known people who have had their scenery changed and it made an immense improvement on their life. I myself used to work at a job which was nothing but stressful and abusive, but after I changed jobs, my own family and friends told me that there has been an immense change in my attitude and demeanor, so this is a real thing. A change in physical surroundings absolutely helps one’s mental health.
 
As for alcohol, it’s not really a difference comparing the two. Alcohol is an anti-depressant, and I think Delta is definitely the alcoholic type. Maybe not a full-blown alcoholic, but definitely using the stuff as a means to dull the depression of the past. Alcohol only covers it up and does nothing to relieve the actual problem.
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The Devil's Advocate
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You know how entertaining that disscusion has been for past few comic pages? Debating people who have diffrent opinion is a great excercise. So you get both fun and improve your discussing skills ^^
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First Apogee’s parents fight and now you guys fight over the parents real noice
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The Devil's Advocate
She had too little information about her parents to count her behavior as “naive”.
 
Not sure, but Apogee knows Delta for a few years now, so she shouldn’t be that “unfamiliar” with her mom’s behaviour. Nothing explains her naivity.
 
Just because you refused one opportunity, it should not mean that the other opportunities doesn’t exist, both from pony nasa and other agencies/companies.
Again, it is like there is only one workplace for mares with her major. She should have gender studies major instead. That way she could be more employable.
 
The corporation could assume that she may not be a “loyal worker” if she can decline on a whim. They could later spread that info in the related community, so other companies would have doubts about her. This one choice essentially made her infamous in her “job” (as she came out as random; a pony who works for something really hard, just to decline the offer last minute).
 
Yes, I know that. And this is something that I COMPLETELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND in this setting.
I mean, it is against Jets characterization.
He saw her as an equal, he has seen her brilliance, yet for some reason he “forgot” about her when ponies were talking about him.
It makes no sense in this setting. It goes against his personality. I will not be suprised if this will be retconed in reboot.
 
Honestly, I dodn’t it was intentional. It’s just the fact that he was more recconizable to the media. With Delta staying home with Apogee, she wouldn’t be seen often. Having only Jet’s word for “Delta’s Involvement” could be easily taken as him trying to be nice and say something good about his marefriend. You see that happen quite alot in TV, when famous people say that thier significant other has huge influence on them, but it’s rarely taken as something beyond simple “niceness”.
 
That was before revelation that he “planned” pregnancy, so it would make no sense. I mean, back then it was an accident, so why “flip-off Jet”? Or steal his baby?
She didn’t use protection of any kind, nor she took “after pill”, so she is the unresponsible one. Women that rely on men, when it comes safe sex, usually end badly.
 
She didn’t use any protection as she was drunk at that time. Jet took her out on a party which lead to him sleeping with her. With the state she was in (possibly first time drunk), it’s very easy to assume that she had no idea what happend last night, untill it was too late to change it.
 
And I say that if such eventuality happened, she would lost her job rather quicky considering she is a wreck of a pony. Can you imagine her working in a team for an extended period of time, considering her abrasive nature, pessimism and lack of constraints?
 
The only thing she has issues with, is “entitled” ponies. She gets along pretty well with everyone who doesn’t think of themselves as much of a superior. With Delta’s knowlege and abilities, It’s easy to assume that she’d become the project leader. Yes, she has tendency to flip out, but I think that with what she is worth, there’d be companies who would want to keep her, especially as a project leader, where she would be only flipping out on those under her.
 
This could maybe make her nicer too. Seeing the ponies who were the same as she was years ago. It’s possible that she’d become some sort of mentor to the rest of the team.
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If anything, those comics shown that Apogee is incredibly naive than being forgiving.
 
She had too little information about her parents to count her behavior as “naive”.  
By “forgiving” I have meant that when her mother toyed with her greatest desire TWICE, she immediately forgiven her when Delta said sorry.  
Again, it was more because she was given a great job opportunity and refused it.
 
Just because you refused one opportunity, it should not mean that the other opportunities doesn’t exist, both from pony nasa and other agencies/companies.  
Again, it is like there is only one workplace for mares with her major. She should have gender studies major instead. That way she could be more employable.  
You also have to remember that when she was taking care of her foal, it was Jet who was taking all the praise for thier work.
 
Yes, I know that. And this is something that I COMPLETELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND in this setting.  
I mean, it is against Jets characterization.  
He saw her as an equal, he has seen her brilliance, yet for some reason he “forgot” about her when ponies were talking about him.  
It makes no sense in this setting. It goes against his personality. I will not be suprised if this will be retconed in reboot.  
I was more refering to the fact that Delta could just flip-off Jet for getting her pregnant, leave him with the baby and pursue the carrer (or take the baby and leave Jet alone),
 
That was before revelation that he “planned” pregnancy, so it would make no sense. I mean, back then it was an accident, so why “flip-off Jet”? Or steal his baby?  
She didn’t use protection of any kind, nor she took “after pill”, so she is the unresponsible one. Women that rely on men, when it comes safe sex, usually end badly.  
If Jet would want to help her, by essentially “getting her a job” (annonymously) in an enemy space related company (SpaceX of MLP universe), I think she’d take on the job just to prove herself superior to Jet, by trying to get him out of buisness.
 
And I say that if such eventuality happened, she would lost her job rather quicky considering she is a wreck of a pony. Can you imagine her working in a team for an extended period of time, considering her abrasive nature, pessimism and lack of constraints?
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The Devil's Advocate
Nah, it has shown that Apogee is extremly forgiving when it comes to her mother and that Delta is rather insensitive and has a problem of “going too far”.
Nothing new was shown in these “canonical Apogeebuse” comics, fanfics already explored thess “characterizations”.
 
If anything, those comics shown that Apogee is incredibly naive than being forgiving.
 
What? Where she has stated that? I do not remember that.
 
Spelling error. I ment to use the word “he”.
 
I am talking about the fact that taking few years to raise a foal should not be synonymous with being “pernamently unemployable”, especially with rather feministic society as Equestria. Her being unemployable is simply not logical.
 
This only makes sense if we imply that “shino-verse” has only one place where she can have a proper job after finishing her studies.
I forgot the name of her major (was it astrophysics?) but if only one place hires after ending education then why such major would be allowed in university? In real life even “gender studies” can give you more work opportunity than that.
 
Again, it was more because she was given a great job opportunity and refused it. It was what could lead to her becoming less of a “job material” for those companies. You also have to remember that when she was taking care of her foal, it was Jet who was taking all the praise for thier work. It’s normal for the companies to think that it was Jet who was the brain in the duo, since he was the only one who was shown doing something.
 
It is not “noble”, it is “normal”. For long time if a woman gets knocked-up, then she gets a “extended vacation” to raise a baby. Then when baby is capable of surviving on it’s own, then either woman comes back to work or ends her carrier.
It is somewhat recent trend that workgivers see female workers as inferior to males simply because she could get pregnant anytime. It is still one of bigger talking points among feminists when it comes to topic named “woman in workforce”.
 
I was more refering to the fact that Delta could just flip-off Jet for getting her pregnant, leave him with the baby and pursue the carrer (or take the baby and leave Jet alone), but she didn’t. She tried to make this new life work, even tough it wasn’t what she hoped for.
 
That chance would have to fall from sky to make it work.(like her winning a lottery of something)
She is too depressed and apathetic to her wellbeing (and to old) to try something new.
 
Again, read my previous example. If Jet would want to help her, by essentially “getting her a job” (annonymously) in an enemy space related company (SpaceX of MLP universe), I think she’d take on the job just to prove herself superior to Jet, by trying to get him out of buisness.
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It was a quite decent comic with a bunch of good characterization. The second part was an overkill, but it still showed good character for Delta and Apogee.
 
Nah, it has shown that Apogee is extremly forgiving when it comes to her mother and that Delta is rather insensitive and has a problem of “going too far”.  
Nothing new was shown in these “canonical Apogeebuse” comics, fanfics already explored thess “characterizations”.  
even tough she hates useing any of that substances.
 
What? Where she has stated that? I do not remember that.  
I’m not really sure what you are talking about.
 
I am talking about the fact that taking few years to raise a foal should not be synonymous with being “pernamently unemployable”, especially with rather feministic society as Equestria. Her being unemployable is simply not logical.  
Delta was offered a job in a space centre, which she accepted. It’s because of that why Jet decided to get her drunk and pregnant to keep her close. I’d imagine that after that happend, no other company wanted to hire her, since she already declined once, for the sake of her coltfriend and family.
 
This only makes sense if we imply that “shino-verse” has only one place where she can have a proper job after finishing her studies.  
I forgot the name of her major (was it astrophysics?) but if only one place hires after ending education then why such major would be allowed in university? In real life even “gender studies” can give you more work opportunity than that.  
Which is quite noble, for a mare like young Delta.
 
It is not “noble”, it is “normal”. For long time if a woman gets knocked-up, then she gets a “extended vacation” to raise a baby. Then when baby is capable of surviving on it’s own, then either woman comes back to work or ends her carrier.  
It is somewhat recent trend that workgivers see female workers as inferior to males simply because she could get pregnant anytime. It is still one of bigger talking points among feminists when it comes to topic named “woman in workforce”.  
I still belive that if Delta would find a chance to get a better life (which in her own mind would also be a gigantic “FUCK YOU” to Jet, by showing that she could “do it by herself”), I think she’d take the chance.
 
That chance would have to fall from sky to make it work.(like her winning a lottery of something)  
She is too depressed and apathetic to her wellbeing (and to old) to try something new.
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I’m not sure where you got this idea that I want Delta to get back with Jet. I never said such a thing and wouldn’t want her to get back together with him for exactly that reason. What I said was for her to move on from the past. That doesn’t automatically mean get back together with Jet, it means leave the past where it lies and work to improve her life.
 
I’m sorry, this was just a generalization, since it’s what most people seem to be talking about.
 
Physical and mental health go hand in hand, as many medical professionals will tell you. Because guess what, they’re right! If Delta would bother to change her surroundings and get rid of the drugs and alcohol, she would be significantly healthier and happier. This is less conjecture and more fact. If you ever watched the TV show “Hoarders” most of the people are significantly happier with their lives, and subsequently healthier, after their homes are cleaned of extraneous, hoarded junk that they don’t need. It would absolutely be the same for Delta.
 
You are kinda comparing apples to oranges. Delta lives in an actual junkyard. It’s her job. You can’t have a “junkyard” that isn’t constantly filthy. With the Alcohol, I can agree, altough she doesn’t seem to be doing that bad with it. She has enough money to buy actual drinks in a bar (which are often more expensive than in a normal store), isn’t drinking denaturated alcohol, but an actual alcohol, doesn’t have a bottle in her hand 100% of the time so she isn’t in the worst here. It would still be a good idea to skip it tough. Besides that, she has no problems with other substances.
 
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Do NOT remind me of that garbage.
 
It was a quite decent comic with a bunch of good characterization. The second part was an overkill, but it still showed good character for Delta and Apogee.
 
I always thought that both Jet and Delta are addicted to more substances than alcohol and tabacco.
To be honest I myself am confused about canonicity of certain things. Simply put the existence of three separate media (old comic, official fanfics and reboot) really do not make this easy.
 
I belive (it was heavily hinted at in comics and fics) that Jet is an alcoholic too, even tough she hates useing any of that substances.
 
Yes, somebody has to work there. Where I come from the only people who work at junkyards are businessmen (who delegate subrdinates to do hard work while they are sitting in the office) and “normal” workers (who often have patological lives and junkyard was NEVER their “ambition”). Delta should NOT qualify as a “junkyard material”
 
If this is how SHino’s Equestria works then I am sad. In real life people with “STEM high-end education” can take few years “vacation” and still nail a job.(especially in budding buisnesses like “aircraft creation” or “rocketry”)
 
Why do you think start-ups exist?
 
Wasn’t that the case in official fanfics? That she couldn’t nail a job because other companies didn’t want to hire rookies with no experience? (Which makes no sense when rocketry is such “fresh” buisness that you cannot have many engineers with decades of experience)
 
I’m not really sure what you are talking about. Delta was offered a job in a space centre, which she accepted. It’s because of that why Jet decided to get her drunk and pregnant to keep her close. I’d imagine that after that happend, no other company wanted to hire her, since she already declined once, for the sake of her coltfriend and family. Which is quite noble, for a mare like young Delta.
 
But that would require Delta to put actual effort into her own wellbeing! And as we know Delta is too clinically depressed for that.
 
I still belive that if Delta would find a chance to get a better life (which in her own mind would also be a gigantic “FUCK YOU” to Jet, by showing that she could “do it by herself”), I think she’d take the chance.
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I’m not sure where you got this idea that I want Delta to get back with Jet. I never said such a thing and wouldn’t want her to get back together with him for exactly that reason. What I said was for her to move on from the past. That doesn’t automatically mean get back together with Jet, it means leave the past where it lies and work to improve her life.
 
Physical and mental health go hand in hand, as many medical professionals will tell you. Because guess what, they’re right! If Delta would bother to change her surroundings and get rid of the drugs and alcohol, she would be significantly healthier and happier. This is less conjecture and more fact. If you ever watched the TV show “Hoarders” most of the people are significantly happier with their lives, and subsequently healthier, after their homes are cleaned of extraneous, hoarded junk that they don’t need. It would absolutely be the same for Delta.
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I am going to take a gamble as say that there was only one ocasion when she was “being a jerk” towards Apogee, and that’d be the April Fools comic.
 
Do NOT remind me of that garbage.  
She makes a good living for herself. Like it or not, someone has to work on a junkyard.
 
Yes, somebody has to work there. Where I come from the only people who work at junkyards are businessmen (who delegate subrdinates to do hard work while they are sitting in the office) and “normal” workers (who often have patological lives and junkyard was NEVER their “ambition”). Delta should NOT qualify as a “junkyard material”  
(It seems that Shino might have dropped smoking almost completly, since in the “re-boot” we haven’t seen her smoke yet, and she lost her “cig pocket” on her shirt)
 
I always thought that both Jet and Delta are addicted to more substances than alcohol and tabacco.  
To be honest I myself am confused about canonicity of certain things. Simply put the existence of three separate media (old comic, official fanfics and reboot) really do not make this easy.  
I’d put her troubles with finding a better job up to the fact that she has been gone from the “proffesional” life for about 4 years when she was taking care of Apogee. Without anything to put on her CV, it’s no suprise that she couldn’t find a better job, than a fast food joint.
 
If this is how SHino’s Equestria works then I am sad. In real life people with “STEM high-end education” can take few years “vacation” and still nail a job.(especially in budding buisnesses like “aircraft creation” or “rocketry”)  
Her visions were proven to work, but without substantial budget, it would be hard to make them “well known” enough for bigger companies to get interested in them.
 
Why do you think start-ups exist?  
If Jet would want to give her some “real” help, he could “fund her work” from a diffrent (anonymous) account, or give some other company a reach to her.
 
But that would require Delta to put actual effort into her own wellbeing! And as we know Delta is too clinically depressed for that.  
I think that if an enemy company (to Jet’s) would want to employ Delta, I am almost certain she would take on the offer.
 
Wasn’t that the case in official fanfics? That she couldn’t nail a job because other companies didn’t want to hire rookies with no experience? (Which makes no sense when rocketry is such “fresh” buisness that you cannot have many engineers with decades of experience)  
It hasn’t been stated otherwise, so I’d assume it can fund her entertainment.
 
It would be cool if she got some “shady buisness” to help her financially. Like a meth lab in one of her sheds.
 
All in all I am disappointed that this setting has no programs to help people who need experience.
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I wish I could’ve achieved a junkyard and a dirty trailer in the last 10 years…
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I am going to take a gamble as say that there was only one ocasion when she was “being a jerk” towards Apogee, and that’d be the April Fools comic.
 
She makes a good living for herself. Like it or not, someone has to work on a junkyard. If anything, her alcoholism and smokeing may be worse. Tough to be absolutely honest, it seems like she isn’t “heavily addicted” to any of those. She still manages to pay for her place. She isn’t drinking or smokeing all the time (It seems that Shino might have dropped smoking almost completly, since in the “re-boot” we haven’t seen her smoke yet, and she lost her “cig pocket” on her shirt). So I wouldn’t call her life “autodestructive”. She is just doing a job that is not healthy, but someone has to do it.
 
She technically is a “brilliant mare with high education”. I’d put her troubles with finding a better job up to the fact that she has been gone from the “proffesional” life for about 4 years when she was taking care of Apogee. Without anything to put on her CV, it’s no suprise that she couldn’t find a better job, than a fast food joint.
 
Her visions were proven to work, but without substantial budget, it would be hard to make them “well known” enough for bigger companies to get interested in them. If Jet would want to give her some “real” help, he could “fund her work” from a diffrent (anonymous) account, or give some other company a reach to her. I think that if an enemy company (to Jet’s) would want to employ Delta, I am almost certain she would take on the offer.
 
It hasn’t been stated otherwise, so I’d assume it can fund her entertainment.
 
She did the best she could to find a job. As I listed above, it’s hard for a mare with education, but no practical expirience to get hired anywhere. 4 blank years do not look good on CV.