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So it turns out I made a princess twilight version too.
Actually I think I made this one first and later swapped out the princess twilight image with EG twilight.
Anyways, enjoy reminiscing about the great shitstorm of ‘13.
EG version’s here: >>2087321
Actually I think I made this one first and later swapped out the princess twilight image with EG twilight.
Anyways, enjoy reminiscing about the great shitstorm of ‘13.
EG version’s here: >>2087321
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“Again, your response is more an indication of your attachment towards the show and your opinions of it than mine.”
…Says the person who started up the same tedious and nonsensical argument up again about a show you obsess about people’s opinions about after 6 months of silence.
Your argument is dead and buried dude. Its been 6 months. Why are you even pretending you didn’t stop responding after my last reply to you for 6 entire months? I’m okay with a necropost here and there, but a necro convo reply after 6 months? Seriously?? And don’t use BP 142F’s reply as an excuse.
“Ironically your response is more indicative of less surety in your opinions than of mine”
You keep telling yourself that. Also, did you seriously just type that? That type of comment reeks of pretentiousness.
Person 1: ‘’‘You may think you are certain about your opinion, but in reality, your the one who’s conflicted and confused, not me!!’’’
Person 2: “=_= …..seriously dude? Really? Really?? Getting real sick of this nonsense.”
“You think I’m planning on Every Breath You Take-ing you and the people I disagree with, while in actuality it’ll be more of me making mental notes of people’s general stance on the show and seeing if what I see with Star Trek and Star Wars happening to those same people.”
(sigh) Oh boy….No one ever thought the former. A general plan isn’t something you devout every second of your life to. I always assumed the latter in the first place, and that’s why I called you out on it, because even as a general plan making mental notes on such things over such a large period OUT LOUD, is beyond creepy and obsessive.
“While you may think I’m a hypocrite from criticising others for their changing opinions on the show”
No, your hypocrisy lies in your absolute obsession with people’s opinion in the show not matching to certain preconceptions you’ve decided to obsess over.
Your not concerned if people’s opinion change, including your own, over things you find acceptable to have a different stance on at a later date.
Your whole diatribe on what episodes differed for you over time was completely inconsequential and 100% pointless. You completely missed the mark of what I was pointing out beforehand.
The fact remains you cannot reconcile with other people’s opinions because you are you, and only you would be this open about obsessing and taking ‘mental notes’, as you said, over such a long period of time about such a simple topic as something that is well received due to good writing, or bad or mixed received due to BAD writing.
…
“While my interest was expressed smarmily with the implication that I’d hold it against people”
Understatement of the Millennium.
My interest in talking with you about this further is non-existent. Please do not necro-continue an old conversation after half a freakin year has passed.
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Again, your response is more an indication of your attachment towards the show and your opinions of it than mine. Ironically your response is more indicative of less surety in your opinions than of mine (which as I’ll explain later isn’t a bad thing), especially with your comment that I apparently “obsessively defend bad writing.”
Regardless, what you think my plan is and what it actually is exist within separate realities. You think I’m planning on Every Breath You Take-ing you and the people I disagree with, while in actuality it’ll be more of me making mental notes of people’s general stance on the show and seeing if what I see with Star Trek and Star Wars happening to those same people.
While you may think I’m a hypocrite from criticising others for their changing opinions on the show, in actuality my opinion has warmed on seasons and episodes that I once was very critical of. MMMystery on the Friendship Express is an example of an episode that I’ve warmed significantly towards in the intervening eight years, and both season 3 and Magical Mystery Cure I’ve similarly warmed towards.
As you can see, my opinion has changed towards things I was once cool towards, and have cooled towards episodes that I was once warmer towards (Ponyville Confidential, for example), and am interested in seeing if others opinions have done the same. While my interest was expressed smarmily with the implication that I’d hold it against people, I am sincerely interested in what opinions change and why; if it’s due to general distance, or a fairer re-evaluation.
@Background Pony #142F
My opinion is that the drama will soften with time into a more ‘intellectual’ debate than a personal one, as what has happened with other large fandoms.
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Because oh god, did Total Drama make a big mess of its fandom back in 2010.
Your issues with reading comprehension are a bit off topic. But yes, my standard discussion method is very wordy, and not everyone’s cup of tea.
You want the abridged, tl;dr version? Fine. Here it is: “I agree with DarkHooves. Unless I or other like minded fans suffer from severe brain damage, Ebalosus’ 5 year plan to make smarmy discussion, his own words, about Twilicorn are going to be completely fruitless. The Twilicorn plot element isn’t going to age like fine wine. And making a 5 year commitment to engage in smarmy discussion is just plain creepy, even by fellow nerd standards.” There, that should be short and concise enough for you.
Edited
Are you even aware of what this discussion is supposed to be about? I’m actually genuinely asking because I honestly don’t understand some of the things you’re saying while Ebolasus’ post are perfectly legible… <3<;
“Pretty rich coming from someone who writes essays on why a character change in toy-shilling schlock means something.”
Pot meet kettle with an extra helping of hypocrisy, pal. Were all nerds here. I call out bad writing in the present that exists in an overall good show. But you? You obsessively defend bad writing and plan on defending it for years onto the future, and outright admitted to plan on being a smarmy ass about it. If the former regarding myself makes me slightly pathetic, what does that make your latter creepiness amped up to a thousand say about you? These paragraphs take mere minutes out of my day, not 5 years. If you want to talk to someone who gives a less detailed and thourough argument, then stop replying to me. I’m a proud nerd and proud of the level of detail I can give using mere minutes out of my day. If you didn’t want to deal with my argument length, you always had the choice of never replying to me.
Attacking the length of my argument is basically the most desperate thing you can possibly do.
….And, before you retort again, YES, you saying these plans outloud DO HONEST TO GOD make you sound creepy and shallow as all hell. Most people even by fellow nerd standards have a lot more self awareness in this regard.
“because I agree to a point with some of your broader points”
That’s very vague. Without any specifics, you don’t actually have to admit to agreeing to any one specific thing I say.
“and am not as closed-minded as you seem to think”
Those are just words. Actions speak louder then words, and I’ve yet to see any evidence of you being open minded. Let the action of your open-minded attitude actually reflect your words in your arguments. Simply claiming not to be close minded is meaningless.
“because I’m not as invested in the show as you evidently are.”
I don’t have a 5 year plan to be “smarmy” to people about my opinions of the show. My investment? More like Obsession, Thy Name Is Ebalosus.
I think this discussion has gotten too heated for long enough. I say we cut it off here and let us both cool off. Let’s just agree to disagree. I don’t have any more input on the subject.
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>calling me pathetic
Pretty rich coming from someone who writes essays on why a character change in toy-shilling schlock means something. Like with the Dear Amber segments on Chapo Trap House, what you’re saying is more an insight into your investment in the show than mine. What for me is “funny how you say that now, because I remember back when you said something different” is for you is eleven paragraphs of bitching; all brought about because a character got wings and a somewhat meaningless title.
It’s funny, because I agree to a point with some of your broader points, and am not as closed-minded as you seem to think, because I’m not as invested in the show as you evidently are.
Completely missing the point.
Your memory isn’t being called into question. Memory is easy, and you bragging about it doesn’t make you sound very credible. What’s ACTUALLY being called into question is your DESIRE to create a mental note, STICK to it as a schedule over 5 years, and actually COMMIT to being, using your words, ‘a smarmy retorting jerk’ to people on the topic of Twilicorn after 5 years has past…..
…which, now that I say it out loud, sounds like the most path-….you know what, you can easily figure out the last sentence I was going to say by yourself. It would of been slightly rude but 100% honest and true.
In fact, why ARE you even telling us this outloud? Its almost creepy levels of lack of self-awareness. Wouldn’t it invite comments from more crass people then anyone here like ‘get a life’ and things of that nature? Just because were all nerds here doesn’t mean your plan to make smarmy retorts in the future doesn’t sound creepy and shallow as fuck.
You fully recognize that people can and do change their minds on things given time, yes, BUT at the same time you are so (currently) fixated to this ‘smarmy’ endeavor that you assume people’s opinions changing and evolving for the better will benefit YOUR opinion, even though all evidence points to the opposite happening. On what grounds do you think Twilicorn will be seen as an underappreciated gem of an idea in the future? With the Star Wars prequels anybody could make that assumption…the movies were flawed, sure, and had some bad writing, but so much good stuff was built into it and built upon it. In contrast, the one thing both many Twilicorn fans and Twilicorn haters can agree on….is that was never utilized that much. That’s not much for time to work with.
I will change my opinion on Twilicorn and Glim Glam in the future…provided I actually hear arguments many, many times more convincing then any I have heard so far. I have converted on things in the past, and I don’t pretend my opinion was always the one I have currently. Keeping an open mind and listening to people is how people get smarter.
Your laser focused on the idea that your right and others are wrong regarding the perceptions of Alicorn Twilight and people will feel differently about it similar to you once they get older and smarter. And, like me and DarkHooves are warning you, be prepared for a disappointing payoff. How do you know YOUR opinion on Twilicorn won’t be different in the future and more similar to the people you intend to mock later? Well, NOW we know it won’t change to that, but not because you can’t change your mind on things over time, but simply because of spite.
But hey, if you want to prove me wrong, even though I’ll never know about it, I will be impressed.
IMO, the worst people are the ones who have forgotten to listen to others. Your “plan” doesn’t leave much room for the possibility of a healthy amount of doubting yourself.
That’s all I have to say.
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1st: I remember anyway, since I’ve got a good memory for such things. I do remember all the people who gave me shit on my Mass Effect opinions back in the day.
2nd: my retorts will be more smarmy than accusatory, as I fully recognise that people can and do change their minds on things given time. The likes of you and Alexlayer having a road to Damascus conversion on either Twilicorn or Glim Glam respectively would be shocking, given how much stock you’ve put into your positions. It would be akin to me suddenly saying that Mass Effect 2 is a good game, and Mass Effect 3’s ending made sense and was satisfying.
The worst people IMO are those whom it can be proven that they held a different opinion in the past, yet pretend that their current opinion has always been the one they held. In the example of myself, it would be akin to me saying that I’ve always like Mass Effect 3’s ending, despite the evidence showing otherwise.
BP#5DD4 is me, btw, it signed me out.
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Saying something is one thing, committing to something is something else entirely. As the expression goes, talk is cheap. The chances of you actually making a mental note and asking people around about Twilicorn 5 years from now are rather low. Of all of the legacies the MLP show left, the Twilicorn topic is hardly the most interesting or stimulating. Twilight was a unicorn, then Celestia wanted her to be a pretty, pretty princess, and boom, she became a princess, and on a slight non-sequitur, Discord was forgiven for betraying the entire kingdom just by giving Celestia some roses. At the end of the day, it doesn’t get much deeper then that.
Even if you are sincere completely now, whether that sincerity lasts the test of time is a whole other matter.
And even then, its a double edged sword.
Cause if your curious or at worst obsessed enough to keep that mental note for 5 whole years over something like Twilicorn, then what does that say about your objectiveness on the topic? You run the risk of becoming your own personal unreliable narrator for your little census.
Some honest advice? It honestly doesn’t seem to be worth it.
It’ll be interesting to see, and I mean that sincerely, as I’d like to know who’ll soften and who’ll be like me with Mass Effect…
Getting used to it isnt the same as thinking it was a good idea over time. It’s not like many spoke positively about it if they didnt in the past. It was simply that, as others and yourself had pointed out, it wasnt the highlight of too many episodes, although one cant deny that a lot of episodes that DID focus on her being a princess had…mixed reviews. Twilight and her never ending quest to appease to Celestia’s expectations got old quick, many early optimistic predictions would of thought she would of grown out of it as the series progressed.
People liked the finale of S4 because despite the terrible writing, it still gave us the treat of bringing Tirek into the fold and giving us a full on DBZ fight, despite the nonsensical point of it being Twilight Sparkle and not exactly the most combat ready pony compared to RD and others. She was able to do the things she did cause the plot said so, or Celestia’s power transfer made her a living weapon somehow, however you want to interpret it.
The S4 finale was a case where a bad story can be overshadowed by sheer fan service. Twilight suddenly becoming psuedo Goku both in power AND skill had nothing to do with the plot before or after, it was eye candy. But it was simply amazing eye candy. No ones going to go out of their way to defend Discord’s actions being sweeped under the rug by giving Celestia some roses.
If I ever get severe braindamage, I’ll be sure to let you know. Othervise, what CronoM said.
@Beau Skunky
“Gotten used to” is such a fitting term don’t you think? Like it didn’t get better over time, people just stopped caring.
like when she was in Manhattan and some pony wouldn’t listen to her about getting a taxi and even some of those princess episodes probably could still happen if she wasn’t a princess and wouldn’t have been much different
Honestly, in most of Season 4 right after she became a princess, her new status, and new wings were hardly regarded at all outside the Season opener, and finale. So it was like nothing hardly even happened.
In fairness, most bronies including some critics & haters of Twilicorn have gotten used to Twilicorn by now, and many post-Twilicorn episodes such as “Twilight’s Kingdom: Parts 1&2,” (the “Twilight VS Tirek episode) are pretty popular.
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Won’t make any difference. It’s not like Twilicorn episodes are suddenly going to age like fine wine and become semi-decent, in comparison to something like the Star Wars prequels with all it’s good points and massive world building. Twilicorn wasn’t that deep.
Also, is that a promise? :/ Suuuuuure you will.
I’ll ask you again in 5-10 years to see if you feel the same way.
I agree Twilicorn was lame. And there were good episodes after season 3.
None of them were good because of Twilicorn though.
sad how something this lame really makes people like you enjoy the show less by making such a drama of it.
damn, it wasnt even the bigger part of the series without Twilicorn. and so many good episodes after it too.
really sad.
Speak for yourself, lol.
No matter how many years go by, it still doesn’t make Twilicorn less retarded.
I didn’t enjoy Avatar.
DHX makes a great show.
DHX makes a horrible decision, but never so horrible that everyone leaves.
The accepting side whines why the other side doesn’t like the idea even though years pass.
The valid critic side points out the obvious that there isn’t an expiration date on horrendously stupid ideas, but there are still stuff to enjoy.
DHX makes a horrible decision, but never so horrible that everyone leaves.
The accepting side whines why the other side doesn’t like the idea even though years pass.
The valid critic side points out the obvious that there isn’t an expiration date on horrendously stupid ideas, but there are still stuff to enjoy.
DHX makes a horrible decision, but never so horrible that everyone leaves.
The accepting side whines why the other side doesn’t like the idea even though years pass.
The valid critic side points out the obvious that there isn’t an expiration date on horrendously stupid ideas, but there are still stuff to enjoy.
Ad infinitum.
The series ends….at least until the Pony Life version is released. Results pending…
(Meanwhile, in fandoms with more competent and consistent writers.)
The creators of Avatar the Last Airbender create Avatar the Last Airbender.
The fans enjoy it.
The fans enjoy it.
The fans enjoy it.
The fans enjoy it.
The series ends. Korra is a separate series.
The moral of the story? The writing quality for MLP was all over the place. It deserves all the praise it gets, and it deserves all the criticism it gets. No show sets out to divide their own fandom due to their writing, and MLP unfortunately did that way too often. A show is only as strong as its writers.