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"[@Red-Supernova":](/images/2127416#comment_8430549
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If you're an Undertale fan, don't you remember this exchange?
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> Oh, and Frisk...
> Be careful in the outside world, OK?
> Despite what everyone thinks, it's not as nice as it is here.
> *There are a lot of Floweys out there.
> And not everything can be resolved by just being nice.*
> Frisk...
> Don't kill, and don't be killed, alright?
> That's the best you can **strive for.*[/bq]
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And in this case, the villains were three Floweys, in that being nice to them wouldn't solve anything. It certainly failed with Cozy Glow, because she'd thrown every last bit of kindness and appreciation the heroes gave her away in cold-blood in the S8 finale, it failed with Tirek when he decided that his own **brother** pleading with him to halt with their plans wasn't enough to dissuade him, and it certainly failed when Starlight tried after Chrysalis brought losing everything on herself.
Hell,_*none of them_* have a backstory alleviating their actions. They just _*are._
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They all remind me of the King from Deltarune, the one who repays your mercy by mercilessly attacking you, after making you think he has a softer side.
The world isn't perfect, and having it to where you can't reason with everyone is a good way of showing that.
The moral of Undertale just *_**wasn't_*** "violence solves nothing."
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[@blacksunset":](/images/2127416#comment_8431243
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They literally have no qualms about torturing children, or murdering them. They failed at every turn to show they even redeeming qualities to our heroes. That bait-and-switch in Frenemies utterly failed to make an impact on them for the better.
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[@Twi Clown":](/images/2127416#comment_8431806
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Exactly.
If you're an Undertale fan, don't you remember this exchange?
[bq]
> Oh, and Frisk...
> Be careful in the outside world, OK?
> Despite what everyone thinks, it's not as nice as it is here.
> *There are a lot of Floweys out there.
> And not everything can be resolved by just being nice.*
> Frisk...
> Don't kill, and don't be killed, alright?
> That's the best you can **strive for.*
And in this case, the villains were three Floweys, in that being nice to them wouldn't solve anything. It certainly failed with Cozy Glow, because she'd thrown every last bit of kindness and appreciation the heroes gave her away in cold-blood in the S8 finale, it failed with Tirek when he decided that his own **brother** pleading with him to halt with their plans wasn't enough to dissuade him, and it certainly failed when Starlight tried after Chrysalis brought losing everything on herself.
Hell,
![full](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/deltarune/images/4/40/King_battle_idle.gif/revision/latest?cb=20181115005049
They all remind me of the King from Deltarune, the one who repays your mercy by mercilessly attacking you, after making you think he has a softer side.
The world isn't perfect, and having it to where you can't reason with everyone is a good way of showing that.
The moral of Undertale just *
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[@blacksunset
They literally have no qualms about torturing children, or murdering them. They failed at every turn to show they even redeeming qualities to our heroes. That bait-and-switch in Frenemies utterly failed to make an impact on them for the better.
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[@Twi Clown
Exactly.