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@Background Pony #3182
Amen. I’m glad that there are still sane people in the world. Also, opinion supported by factual material and at least some argumentation (unlike "awww I liek it lol" or "fuuuu, I hate it!") doesn’t need so much excuses. Stand your ground proudly, dammit.


I’m convinced that a true fan can enjoy something he likes but is also able to admit when something is bad. People often mistaken that for hating instead of constructive criticism.
Sadly many people I talked to are either the "awww I liek it lol" or "fuuuu, I hate it!" type of people.

"@Background Pony
I’m neither trying to make the show bad

You can’t. That’s a task for another certain group of people. And even they cannot make the show worse anymore, because it ended (e.g not suffering anymore). T_T


Are you talking about Hasbro and the writers?
Well, there still will be a season 10 (and maybe more) in comic form.

"@Background Pony
1000 years of ruling with godlike power but she still is a kind and understanding pony with a heart of gold.

In my humble opinion, one cannot get spoiled by godlike power, if one is the goddess. It’s just comes naturally.


That’s true. Both, Luna and Celestia already had alicorn magic from the day of their birth. It’s kind of canon, because all three pony tribes wanted them to rule the newly founded Equestria because they had been alicorns. During that time, they didn’t even have cutie marks (from the “The Journal of the Two Sisters”).
So it makes sense that they (well, at least Celestia) never went crazy because of having too much magical power.

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@Background Pony #3182
Amen. I’m glad that there are still sane people in the world. Also, opinion supported by factual material and at least some argumentation (unlike "awww I liek it lol" or "fuuuu, I hate it!") doesn’t need so much excuses. Stand your ground proudly, dammit.
I’m neither trying to make the show bad

You can’t. That’s a task for another certain group of people. And even they cannot make the show worse anymore, because it ended (e.g not suffering anymore). T_T
1000 years of ruling with godlike power but she still is a kind and understanding pony with a heart of gold.

In my humble opinion, one cannot get spoiled by godlike power, if one is the goddess. It’s just comes naturally.
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(This is my opinion. I’m neither trying to make the show bad; I love it, nor am I saying that you shouldn’t watch season 9. So please don’t start a hate war because WE ALL ARE PART OF THE FANDOM and we should RESPECT EATH OTHER)

Finally someone who has the same opinion as i. Everyone else just complained when I said that season 9’s plot was stupid regarding on how they dealt with Celestia, Luna, Twilight and even the villains.

Don’t get me wrong, Twilight is awesome and all, but from season 1 to 7, her whole journey was about learning and sharing friendship, not ruling. So in season 8, founding a school for teaching friendship to ponies and non-ponies was the perfect conclusion.
IF they always wanted Twilight to become a ruler, then they should have started that plot at least one season earlier instead of letting Celestia saying something like “We’re retiring next Tuesday, good luck with ruling the kingdom, lol.”

Yes, I know that Lauren Faust wanted to turn Twi into the ruler at the end, but on the other hand she never wanted her to become an alicorn (from what I remember). So it seems as if the writers thought that, for the last season, they’ll just go with stereotypes by turning the main protagonist into a Mary Sue, who’s the ruler of the world (let’s face it, with god-like power of both princesses and the political/ideological influence on the younger generations of at least 5 other nations, Equestria now is the most powerful kingdom of the world of G4).

S9 showed that Twilight still goes into crazy mode, even after at least 9 years with 6 years being a princess. I would trust her to be a hero, even a supporting ruler, but not as a sole ruler. Especially without her friends or the princesses helping her to calm down, because I’m sure she would try to do things on her own as a ruler.

About the princesses: In the opener Celestia said something like “Equestria was never as peaceful as now”, 2 years after an invasion of the Storm King + 2 years the return of the Pony of Shadows + maybe 1 year or less after a young filly almost took over Equestria by erasing all magic. Let’s count all the world ending villains we had in 9 years (if one season equals one year. I’m 100% sure that this isn’t the case)

Nightmare Moon, Discord, Chysalis 1.0, Sombra, 1.0, Trixie (with the alicorn amulet), Tirek + Discord, Starlight (two times in a row), Tantabus, Chrysalis 2.0, Pony of Shadows, Storm King + his army and Cozy Glow 1.0 (Sombra 2.0 and Legion of Doom came after Celestia’s statement)

So we have at least 13 potential “end of Equestria” moments in 9 years (I counted Trixie, because we never knew how powerful and evil she was while wearing the alicorn amulet).
So we have between 1 and 2 crises every year, while Celestia was ruling 1.000 years on her own. Sorry, but either all villains had been on vacation for 1000 years so that Celestia had been busy being lazy or Celestia had defended Equestria for 1000 years against tons of villains and invasions while being able to create a blooming kingdom that’s more or less the technologic and ideological most evolved nation of the knows world of G4.

If anything, then Celestia should be allowed to retire because she made an awesome job without abusing her power or turning crazy. 1000 years of ruling with godlike power but she still is a kind and understanding pony with a heart of gold.

Same with the Legion of Doom: All of G4 was about friendship and forgiving the bad guys. So just turning them to stone at the end was a bad decision. Big Jim even said that they never wanted them to be reformed. Sorry, bat that’s now what FiM taught us for 7 seasons and one movie.
It’s funny how the writers started to punish the villains after the movie: Sending a young filly to hell and later turning her to stone. We all know that you’re still able to think while you’re petrified (Discord told us about it). Yes, we had Tirek, Sombra and the Storm King, but two of them got killed by accident and the third was in prison. Chrysalis got a second chance but wasted it.


So, to finish this wall of text (sorry for that): Twilight should have become at most a third ruler until she’s too old. That way she could have helped Celestia and Luna and they would have been able to go on vacation more often than once every 1000 years.
Writing of the princesses this way was a bad idea and to me season 9 is not canon to my version of Equestria. Once more, this only is my opinion, so please don’t start a hate war
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@CronoM

Jumping ship? As if, I’m overwhelmingly disappointed with S8/9 and I’m here til the end, and I don’t just mean the show.
They’ll have to pry the fandom from my cold dead hands.
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Agreed 100%.

And the weird thing is, they COULD of set this up well, but they instead chose to portray Twilight throughout the series as the least wise/only book smart, the least interested in friendship among the six, and the most interested in disregarding her attachments if it meant simply following Celestia’s orders. Heck, in the theater movie, this is the main drive of her character that messes things up for the protagonists.

This is so off its painful. So…it kind of fits right in with the last few seasons that caused a ton of fans to jump ship. :/
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Background Pony #66D7
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But then there’s the past 1000 years. Did all the villains not exist prior to the mane 6?
Celestia is always trying to pull the strings and guide ponies but we don’t exactly have an abundance of her or Luna stepping up and saving the day when things get rough.

The problem is that the writing being there to have the mane 6 save the day results in ponies who are basically the gods of the sun and the moon frequently being shown as incapable. You can write them as wanting to have their ponies protect Equestria when needed without them getting knocked out or captured every time a villain shows up.

Then it all gets capped off with a pocket watch that makes Luna and Celestia’s entire talent meaningless, and passing the crown off to a pony who is still an unstable mess at times and expecting her to rule alone.
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@Background Pony #66D7
Celestia and Luna have always had a hard time actually stepping up to deal with problems.

I realize the goal is to make situations where Twilight and her friends have to save the day[…]

You answered your own question. Princesses should have been the background of events, and first seasons have done this quite good. Chrysalis in S2 was actually cunning, devious and dangerous enemy, so I don’t really cont this as fuckup for the Sisters.
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Celestia and Luna have always had a hard time actually stepping up to deal with problems.
I realize the goal is to make situations where Twilight and her friends have to save the day, but having the princesses fall flat on their face every season is frustrating, especially with this being the end result.
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How and why? Simple. Celestia was more than capable leader for over a millennium, judging by the seasons 1,2 and 3. Then suddenly this season makes Celestia seem like a useless laughing stock with Luna as dull sidekick. And then voila: she is retiring! Luna just returned after 1000 years of banishment to her domain, for right to rule which she fought with her own sister for crying out loud! But guess what? She is completely OK with the retirement!
All the season 9 was painting Twilight as incompetent, emotionally and mentally unstable person that somehow has forgotten almost every lesson she seemingly already learned by the course of the past 8(eight!)seasons. And Poof! the Sisters leave their hard earned and created country to her. That’s book case of retcon and a shitty one to boot.
All the season nine is like a spit in a face.
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Background Pony #9AE9
What the hay? She’s the mane character I get it but c’mon are why gonna Mary Sue her till the very end?
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Background Pony #66D7
@ThomasFan45

My issue regarding this specifically is that Luna and Celestia never should be retiring to begin with.
Celestia was a great leader and Luna is finally getting the appreciation she deserves.
Twilight should have been a leader alongside them, not replacing them, it’s just silly.
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