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Is not about being uninterested or interested, ultimately they didn’t want to change, they did what they did without wanting to learn what they were supposed to learn.
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@Ganondox  
Basically she was in denial.
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I wouldn’t say Chrysalis was uninterested. The issue for her is that friendship is a force, it’s a force that in her perspective corrupted her hive. She isn’t uninterested, she’s actively against it, and she has a reason why.
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@Amethyst_Crystal  
The only one who seemed uninterested was Chrysalis.
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Yeah, you could even say that this whole scene was meant to hammer in how irredeemable they would become.  
Or rather, how very uninterested they were in redemption.
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@Background Pony #EACA  
They seemed pretty genuine about how good it felt to give. Cozy and Tirek especially.
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Not pointless. It just shows they weren’t willing to change their ways. Chrysalis couldn’t care less about her own kind’s well-being and only really cared about her revenge, Tirek just wanted power and Cozy Glow wouldn’t change because she didn’t care about the mane6 lessons and didn’t want to listen to them. Cozy loves manipulating others and she would keep doing it. She didn’t want help. She is just a manipulative little devil. She didn’t even really care about her ‘team’, trying to steal Grogar’s bell for herself.
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well that’s because that was ocellus in a mysterio style illusion set up by the tree of harmony where she saw herself as chrysalis
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wait is this pointless too
 
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@Ganondox  
I can see that, its just not how I interpreted the scene  
But thats the thing about art (as I’m counting story telling as an art) there are many ways it can be interpreted sometimes
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@CottonTales
 
The impression I got was that there rejection of friendship was giving them plausible deniability of them being transformed. It’s like how you know the main character in a story isn’t going to die, but there is still a feeling of danger to add suspense. This is like they actually did kill off the main character.
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On the other hand, the fact that they didn’t object to her ideas and felt good with going along means that they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Nah. I’d say that it just showcased that they were, on some level, actively maintaining their behavior. They could have embraced it and possibly become better people but they didn’t want to. Or at least Chrysalis didn’t. It was her who broke it up, wasn’t it?
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@Background Pony #F313  
I think that is what they should have done.
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@DR.CHRISMAN.  
Sad that it never came.
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pretty much
 
I think that one more push would do the trick with them
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@CottonTales  
The worse thing is that they expect both the kids and the bronies to accept what they “meant” to get across. Sadly, most of them do.
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Still say they could have had the best of both worlds. Stone Chrysalis for those who hate forgiveness and redeem Tirek and Cozy for those who like redemption.
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@Zenitheus  
If I didn’t care about the writing, I wouldn’t try to come up with explanations for any seeming inconsistencies
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Alright to the picture though  
I do not think the scene was pointless I just think they did it poorly heres the thing:  
what I got from the scene: oh there is some good in them they’re just denying it and trying to keep to their own goals like the prideful folks they are. They can be reformed they just need another push  
what the writers MEANT to display: there isn’t any good in them they’re intending to just use one another to get what they want and their denial of friendship meant that they will never accept it
 
I think they could have displayed what they wanted the scene to mean far better, they could have even kept it open far better but the scene had some purpose
WindmillOfFriendship

@superfun  
You can justify any amount of bullshit with mental gymnastics. It’s still not the audience’s responsibility to fill in massive blanks in the story. It’s the writers’ job to be clear and concise and minimize unnecessary ambiguity.
 
Fiction is interesting because it shows us a chain of events unfold in entertaining ways. Yes, you can give a story a mundane conclusion that’s consistent with past events and in-universe information, but is it a satisfying conclusion, especially if said story has plot points alluding to a conclusion different from what actually happens? There’s more to storytelling than just in-universe consistency. The audience is still an important entity of whom every work of fiction has to cater as concisely and engagingly as possible. The arc for season 9 fails because the staff did not follow through with the events they set up previously and gave us a conclusion that shits on, not only our investment in the arc, but also everything FIM stands for.
 
What was the point of alluding to the trio understanding friendship if it wasn’t ever going to be revisited? What was the point of giving them a Fate Worse than Death when they gained the audience’s empathy and were shown not to be complete monsters?
 
You keep trying to excuse all this with watsonian reasons. I’m not asking for any of those. The fact is that the writers deliberately mislead the audience and gave us a conclusion that was nonsensical considering the events they showed us throughout the arc. Hell, the two words in the pic above say “Pointless scene?” Which inherently implies a critique of the writing
 
Once again, you have failed to explain why these are good decisions NARRATIVELY. If you can’t that’s fine, just have the spine to admit you don’t care about the writing.
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@Zenitheus  
I think the writing decisions have been good BECAUSE they make sense in-universe.
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@Background Pony #33DC  
Ah, yes, because petrifying three terrified powerless creatures, one of whom being a child, on their knees for the next one thousand years is absolutely in character for the heroes, and totally does not fly in the face of the Aesops of Shadow Play and Daring Doubt or the message of the series as a whole, the first two were produced by the same staff. Also, let’s just ignore Discord, the guy that brought the villains together, hooked them up with a super weapon and encouraged them to takeover Equestria. He gets off scott-free because his intentions were pure.
 
@Copper Knight  
Watch the scene again, and you can tell that they’re obviously in denial. They didn’t want to admit it because it be would conceding that their enemies were right all along. That’s what people in that situation do when they learn about deeply unpleasant facts associated with their enemies - they suppress them initially. That was the impression the staff gave. It was supposed to be the set up for the villains understanding friendship. Now, to go back on that buildup and give us a conclusion that didn’t follow through destroys any investment the audience once had for a story. It’s basically telling us, “Hey, do you remember this one episode where we built up this character arc, well you can forget the important things that happened in that episode because they didn’t matter in the end.” If you’re gonna write an arc, follow through with it, and if you’re gonna include a twist, give us strong hints that something’s up.
 
@Copper Knight  
Whatever level of magic they had been brought down to, the fact remains that they were outmatched and outnumbered by a menagerie of powerful warriors and an army of hundreds if not thousands. They probably couldn’t escape because they’d either be shot or chased down. And they couldn’t fight back because Tirek was in no position to absorb anyone’s magic, and Chrysalis almost got her ass kicked by Mean Twilight, so that’s proof enough she wouldn’t have been able to put up a decent fight, and Cozy Glow lost all credibility and could only manipulate those who didn’t know about her. Again, they were neutralized as a threat.
 
@Background Pony #33DC  
@Copper Knight  
@superfun  
I feel like we’re speaking different languages here. I and others who take issue with the final season are critiquing the writing and creative consistency of MLP while you people seem to be primarily concerned with in-universe consistency and character motivations. All I’m asking is that you take a metastep back from the MLP universe and take the external consistency of MLP into account, especially when it comes to its themes, characters, arcs and writing. Ask yourself if it makes sense for characters to act in ways that are contradictory to what was established for them prior, if its creatively good to introduce an arc and not follow through with a satisfying conclusion or even if the message of an episode goes against the overall theme of the show.
 
For one thing, I’m starting to get sick and tired of having to respond to all this apologetic fanwanking and easily accepted revisionism while getting little to no responses from people actually defending the creative and writing decisions of Haber, Dubuc, Vogel and Miller and other members of the new staff. So, please, tell me why you think their writing decisions have been good - What purposes do you think they serve? If not, I’ll most likely no longer give a fuck because we’d just be running in circles.
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@Copper Knight  
well with a lot of the more recent episodes being focused on character growth you would think Chrysalis would change at least a little and just give it a try… I mean so much for character evolution