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hariester

@Background Pony #0268
"Steals something in the USSR. Gets executed." — proof? Laughable.
"mass euthanization to deal with its criminals." — where was that? You're building strawman.
"THE MOST politically motivated death in all human history." — and what was these numbers? Really, not some speculations. What is death tool in name of capitalism? You have no idea.
"Stalin Starved the people of the Ukraine to death" — MUHAHA! Another one who believes in these lies. And pictures, yeah, including those that was taken in USA? What next? You will claim that it was USSR that in blame of Katyn and not nazi?
Also wikipedia. Wery reliable resourse on USSR and Stalin, indeed (sarcasm). Wikipedia where 600k executions was speculated into 40m deaths, where fantasy writer Solzhenitsyn is named historian — without ANY historian education and any access to archives, where actual phd historian WITH access to archives, that scientifically studied them and writed book on them being pictured as unreliable sourse because he was criticized by Solzhenitsyn, fantasy writer. Wery good sourse, indeed.
Background Pony #4E1B
@Background Pony #48F6
There is not justification for mass killing your criminals. You are twisted.
You:"Usually, when people say, that nazis’ politics was better, that Stalin’s, I just leave the dialogue and laugh."
Me: A sure sign that you have no way of rebutting that?
(For the record, I'm not saying the Nazi's politics were better, I'm saying they're both terrible and comparable in quality.)
African children work in those factories to escape EVEN HARDER work in farms. I'm not saying its easy all over.
Yes communism is for lazy people. people who would rather coast on well-fair checks than excel in life. People who achieve nothing and wish they could be treated equal to doctors and lawyers. You wan't to be treated equal in a capital society? DO THE WORK, GET GOOD, GO TO SCHOOL AND COMPETE.
Curious, would you rather live in North or South Korea? Ones capitalist, ones communist.
Background Pony #E846
@Background Pony #0268
The Ukrainian Golodomor was caused by bad climate and mistakes in economical plans. When Stalin get information about it, he ordered to send them seeds and food from RSFSR's stocks.

Um.. firstly, there weren't executions for stealing. And secondly.. stealing is normal, according to your message?
Background Pony #E846
@hariester
Hey, you've just read my thoughts. That guy may think, that we are cooperating.
Background Pony #4E1B
@hariester
>Steals something in the USSR. Gets executed. 10/10 FREEDOM! BEST COMMUNISM! WOW! WONDERBAR! SWELL! WISH THAT WAS MMEEEE! Meanwhile I'm defending a system that doesn't relay on mass euthanization to deal with its criminals.
What a freakin monster. Dunk your head and smell the roses. Communism has IN FACT been responsible for THE MOST politically motivated death in all human history.
Stalin Starved the people of the Ukraine to death, He forced people into work camps. There are pictures of people lying dead in the streets from starvation. WHERE WERE YOU IN SOCIAL STUDIES?
You're just lying my dude. Give me some citations and fucking back up your crazy claims.
AGAIN Here's my citation. Wheres yours?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin
hariester

@Background Pony #0268
"I DO have a choice here. I can pursue any career and life style I wish as long as I don’t hurt others." — as in any socialistic/communistic country.
"I can speak my mind and express myself through art and the incredible resources at my disposal." — same.
"I am wealthier than 90% of the world and its because I live in a capitalist country." — no. You're not stronger than 95% of all people in two kilometer radius because you lift. You're stronger than 95% because you wandered into kindergarten.
"A BLOODY MCDONALDS EMPLOYEE is richer than 90% of the world. Don’t you recognize that we are SO well off? And even if I’m not content with ALLL OF THAT, if I don’t like it in in my cushy first world country I am legally allowed to immigrate to a different country. I am as free as people get." — you're fooling yourself.
Background Pony #E846
@Background Pony #0268
Well, yeah, no doubt you know much more about that time and use Wikipedia to find some "historical" facts.
Usually, when people say, that nazis' politics was better, that Stalin's, I just leave the dialogue and laugh. I don't want to waste my time for a theme of genocide – just go and read UN convention of 1948s about it.
I know numbers: 4 million prisoners and about 600000 of them were executed. And most of them were criminals, not political prisoners. It was taken from NKVD archives after Stalin's death, when Khrushchev started politics of "destalinisation". There is a big reason to believe them, because if number were bigger, it would be better for that government. But you believe some migrants and criminals, who left Soviet Union and selling books for propaganda was the best way to become famous. If you find any documental proof, that there were 20 or 60 or whole 209 millions executed, let me know.
History + simple logic.

Why do you think, you wouldn't survive in Soviet Union? I'm pretty sure, you don't know anything about live in USSR. Only from some western tv series, I guess. I talked to people, who live there and most of them miss that time. Live wasn't luxurious, but they had social guaraties and confidence in the future.

Oh, so communism is for lazy people? And capitalism is not? Yeah, go tell this to Asian and African children, who work at least 11 hours in factories a day for a good and peaceful capitalists with no choice. Their older relatives were legally enslaved by capitalists during colonial regime. And now it actually the same.
Marxists want everybody to have equal conditions and opportunities for their future and don't want a single person was expolated by another.
Capitalis pay less to people from third world's counties, so they can pay more to people from Europe and North America and live without any worries. You have choice just because people on the other side of the world don't have it.
And protecting capitalists you call someone selfish?
hariester

@Background Pony #0268
Delusional fool. There's so much you don't know or even worse — think that you know.
In 30 years of Stalin's time in USSR was executed only 600k including murderers, rapists, mass thiefts, sabateurs of war preparation, nazi helpers, war traitors, etc. For 200m population it is only 1 execution on 10.000 per year including all those crimes. In all this time only 2.5% (two point five) percent of population faced any repressions including simple detention on couple of hours. Compare this to same statistics of USA of those years.
Any law system is complex of restrictions, i.e. means of population control.
"If you refuse to work in a communist society you get exiled or killed because a communist society can not function unless you exile, kill or enslave the unproductive individuals." — fairy tale. You will not find even a handfull of those who were moved into another city and even one who were executed for this.
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@Xonxt
There was propaganda depicting the Nazi's as bad. Does that mean the Nazi's weren't bad?
Just because something is the subject of propaganda doesn't immediately mean that that thing is the underdog and needs to be defended. Many terrible things are the subject of propaganda and were terrible regardless of what that propaganda said about them.
Background Pony #4E1B
@Background Pony #48F6
Well I DO claim that Stalin was a bad man.

In 1934, Stalin used the murder of Sergey Kirov as a pretext to launch the Great Purge, in which about a million people perished (see § Number of people executed). Some later historians came to believe that Stalin arranged the murder, or at least that there was sufficient evidence to reach such a conclusion.
AND HERE'S A LIST OF OTHER TERRIBLE GENOCIDES HE GREENLIT! OwO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin

Lets Talk about another famous Commy.
In 1957, Mao launched a campaign known as the Great Leap Forward that aimed to rapidly transform China's economy from agrarian to industrial. This campaign led to the deadliest famine in history and the deaths of 20–45 million people between 1958 and 1962.

Marx was a violent drunk who bumbed off his mom until she cut his leech ass off. He then waited for her to die to reap his inheritance. Communism is a dangerously selfish ideology for the laziest people to reap what they haven't earned. Get a job and grow up.

You are attempting to defend THE DEADLIEST political figures and political system in history! This is literally worse than Nazi sympathizing. I would rather live in Nazi Germany as a jew than live in Maos china as ANYONE because I'd have a statistically higher chance of actually surviving in Germany. This is not propaganda, its literally history. Click on that wiki article and look at the pictures if the dead bodies laying in the streets.

@hariester
Where are you getting that?? Capitalism is entirely based on consensual exchange of goods and services between individuals. At what point are you not free in a capitalist society to do what you want?

And at least in a capitalist society I can choose to not work and be destitute. If you refuse to work in a communist society you get exiled or killed because a communist society can not function unless you exile, kill or enslave the unproductive individuals.

I DO have a choice here. I can pursue any career and life style I wish as long as I don't hurt others. I can speak my mind and express myself through art and the incredible resources at my disposal. I am wealthier than 90% of the world and its because I live in a capitalist country. A BLOODY MCDONALDS EMPLOYEE is richer than 90% of the world. Don't you recognize that we are SO well off? And even if I'm not content with ALLL OF THAT, if I don't like it in in my cushy first world country I am legally allowed to immigrate to a different country. I am as free as people get.
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Soviet propagandist
People still think Starlight's ideology had anything in common with communism? sigh…. I'm just tired of explaining it. It doesn't. Just generic dystopian authoritarianism. Or how cold-war propaganda painted communism.
Background Pony #E846
@Amethyst_Crystal
Stalin is too controversial personality. Even stalinists, who I talked to, recognized that it is difficult to justify him. His measures were difficult, but it was very difficult time. Civil war, disagreements in the Supreme council, pressure of western imperialists and World War after all. I don't claim, that he was a good or a bad man. But I think, he deserves respect as a great politician and leader, who saved the country and under whom socialism was built in those conditions.

As for Starlight, she is just offended pony, who was left without best friend because he was a freak. And I still don't understand, why did she agreed to go with Twilight in the end of 5 season.
How do you solve the friendship problem together with your friend if he didn't care about you much and left you alone? Princess of friendship decided not to tell us.
Background Pony #E846
@Background Pony #0268
Control of masses – is a simple restriction of freedom in any kind of society, any country. It doesn't mean, that some evil dictator or party controls everybody's personal life.
As I see, many people are scared of words like "control of masses", "dictatorship of proletariat" and don't even understand the meaning.
hariester

@Background Pony #0268
"control of the masses" — don't you know that every capitalistic country based on it? To be a slave but also to think that you have a choice here.
Background Pony #4E1B
@Amethyst_Crystal
Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin (born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili; 18 December [O.S. 6 December] 1878 – 5 March 1953) was a Georgian revolutionary and Soviet politician who led the Soviet Union from the mid–1920s until 1953 as General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (1922–1952)

You are denying reality. Stalin was THE communist. How did you get this way?
Background Pony #4E1B
@Background Pony #48F6
Everything you just said is communist THEORY. In PRACTICE communism has never worked and will never work.

You:"people believe that communism was related to authoritarianism""Marxism is an absolutely anti-authoritarian ideology"
Also You:"The whole theory of communism is based on the control of the masses for the great goal, not individuals

These statements contradict one another. To control the masses IS to be authoritarian.
hariester

@Amethyst_Crystal
That's because for some reason everyone has their own term “communist”.
hariester

@Background Pony #48F6
Overwhelming majority are brainwashed into believing all these lie claims, like "dictatorship", "enemy of freedom", "taking away and dividing", "all poor", etc, etc.
Amethyst_Crystal
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@Background Pony #48F6
Yeah, the whole 'Starlight was a communist' meme still annoys me sometimes.
But it gets tedious having to explain why Stalin wasn't a communist, either.
OneMoreAnonymous
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There is only sitting like a human.
Background Pony #E846
@Background Pony #0268
Thanks to some unsuccessful practical implementations, when the ideas of communism were processed and distorted (and western propaganda), people believe that communism was related to authoritarianism and the cult of personality. In fact, Marxism is an absolutely anti-authoritarian ideology hostile to any personality cult. The whole theory of communism is based on the control of the masses for the great goal, not individuals. Besides, communism leads to the withering away of the state, because it will be no longer needed.

And Starlight could make a discussions with Twilight about it. Wouldn't that be interesting? Yay dialectics!
Background Pony #4E1B
@Background Pony #48F6
Then season 6 explores the concept of how Communism is unobtainable and leads to dictatorships and breadlines. XD
Background Pony #E846
"Communist" ideas of Starlight was the only thing, that made her interesting…
In the end of 5 season why couldn't she just understand, that her experiment with cutie marks was stupid, and start searching for another way to built equal and happy society? Establish councils (soviets), labour unions… Ain't it a good thing?
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Funny yet sinister.
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