Sunset the genius programmer, super magical prodigy, singer, painter, comic book artist, guitar player, sushi chef with mind reading powers, and the super secret seventh element of forgiveness.
Sunset the shining alicorn goddess of perfection, a cosmic entity of importance, super specialmuffin x1000 ultra instinct mary snowflake.
Fuck this character. Fuck her treatment. Fuck her conception. She’s nothing but the writers pet to self insert as some shitty power fantasy. This bland snowflake and her fans should piss off.
@Chopsticks
Your forgetting that in S6 and onwards, she always referred to her motivations for stealing cutie marks and retaliation as simply herself lashing out because her friend left her and nothing more. She admits this to several people outright, including Sunburst.
She never talked about the social issues even in hindsight EVER again, so we’re supposed to assume it held no value for her outside of an excuse to be EVIL and lash out. Which was an incredibly cheap way to brush her prior motivations under a rug so she would have no conflicting opinions with Equestria and be free to be ‘the best new unicorn ever’.
And some people wonder why she’s accused of being a cheap OC.
@Angrybrony
That was only the trigger, not the motive.
Starlight Glimmer had a Lawful Evil reason for what she did in regards to equality and trying to cut down Twilight’s extra specialness. While revenge is a poor motivator, she was also symbolically trying to fight something she perceived as an Equestrian social problem. She believed that what she was doing was right.
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I liked Cozy Glow’s motive a lot too. She was doing what she was told, and had great mentors in Friendship but she was sent to the school for a reason. Just that looking at it through her eyes was a type of achieving goal for security.
@FlameLoneWolf
What’s interesting is how divergent the two characters were in many ways, including quality. Sunset started out with lower quality writing, but her backstory was interesting and ripe for importance and development, and once her stint as a villain was over, the writers brought their A game to make her well developed and still reflective on the person she was, and its no exaggeration that for the most part, she was unanimously well liked. Fan reception literally couldn’t of been higher for Sunset.
Starlight had a completely different approach. Starlight was introduced as merely a random unicorn, shortly after Tirek was introduced as a muscle-bound devil. She had medium potential, her potential as a villain wasn’t high but it wasn’t low either. The most interesting thing about her was ideas, not her magic. Obviously since Twilight was the Element of Magic, there was no way she would be stronger then Twilight or the more godly big bads or big good guys. But when we are introduced to her, suddenly we find out she’s potentially way stronger just because she is. She’s a unicorn of no importance, and she unfortunately bears a name and appearance way too similar to Twilight even by Sunset’s duality standards. Twilight herself was in the middle of a questionable princess arc that dealt more with themes of entitlement and nepotism and ‘your more special then the rest’ themes instead of free will and equals within a group.
And rather then deal with a Machiavellian villain very slowly reforming to be less amoral, they decided to completely skip the punishment parts of her reformation, skip the character development of her reformation, and start the next season with a new Starlight who is far more clueless and less genre savvy then her intelligent villain former self, and skip to where everyone already trusts her perfectly. She is literally given all the good with zero of the bad, to the point where even she’s disturbed by the writing of her former village’s apathy to her evil actions. Its only after she messes up during the episodes that the main characters have any doubts, and even when she does get recognized for messing up, she never is punished or even reprimanded in any significant way. She’s a strong and as invincible as she wants to be despite there being no sensible reason for her being this strong and yet unknown given her rushed backstory, and she never has to get punished for her misdeeds.
To say that people were not happy about Starlight is an understatement. There are complete hatefests on this site that are positive upvoted, and this site is the most positive mlp community I’ve found regarding ‘reformed’ Starlight. It became the next Twilicorn, where it became a flame war between Starlight critics and Starlight critic haters.
Starlight and Sunset might be equal in the eyes of the few, but objectively she is factually more hated my an enormous amount of people, and its completely understood why. Her character was not relatable or well conceived or well delivered. She had just enough of ‘reformed villain’ in her to get a large chunk of people to like her despite being badly handled, but just as large a chunk detested it. Split down the middle, despite critic haters claiming the critics were a minority, even though that was so obviously not true for everyone. And while Starlight’s character did slightly improve in the 8th and 9th season, it was only a little, and the show’s own issues didn’t help Starlight gain that much more fans. And thus we have a perpetual argument between critics and critic haters similar to the weird Man of Steel movie.
@FlameLoneWolf
Starlight’s motivation was above most in the show, which usually amount to “they’re just an asshole” or “they just want power” or a combination thereof. Pretty much only she, Luna and Stygian have motivations that aren’t flat and boring.
Both her redemption and her reformation were good too. Her reformation was one of the best of the show, alongside Discord’s, because it was a gradual process that we got to see instead of a flip of a switch. Whatever you would count as Starlight’s redemption, there was also nothing wrong with it (most people count the season 6 finale as that). Heck, even Sunset’s redemption, throughout Rainbow Rocks, was pretty good, it’s just that her reformation and backstory are, unlike Starlight’s, pretty much nonexistant.
They’re both good girls, even if both their redemptions/backstories were pretty awful. Starlight was a villain with a lot of potential but plagued with a terrible motivation, while Sunset was honestly such a cookie-cutter bully with zero credibility as a villain (people really forgot just how much everyone despised Sunset before she was reformed).
And yet, after being reformed, I absolutely grew to love both these bad bitches. Weird how that worked out.
reminder that Sunset is the worst main villian in the entire 4th generation she was so bad as a villian in the first movie
if Hasbro didn’t planned to make RR then she was gonna be forgotten easily
I only posted this because I thought it was ironic and funny. But
@TheSultanAkbar
Being confrontational, breaking rules, and telling someone to have sexual relations with themselves is not a logical rebuttal. It is a sign to a lack of capacity to produce a meaningful response.
There’s no need to invest so much emotion in this, really.
@TheSultanAkbar
Calm down. What you like and dislike is your prerogative. As are my likes and dislikes. But if you say stuff like you enjoy the Season 6 finale, something barren of good writing, you DO have to expect other people to question your perspective. That’s the difference between posting something and not posting.
If you don’t post about that stuff, you are asking to be free of judgement. If you do post, then you run the risk. I have no problem in the slightest talking about the lack of effort done on Starlight or the Season 6 finale. Its a very easy and casual discussion for me. But if it annoys you, then I would advise you to pay me no mind. Treat what I say with a grain of salt. If you only get upset, then we can’t have a discussion, and I have no intention of just simply upsetting you. That would be pointless.
Whether you agree or not is irrelevant to this discussion, cause IF Starlight was considered overall liked, her popularity wouldn’t be split down the middle like a certain Man of Steel film as just one example.
Even the Starlight defenders such as yourself cannot deny that Starlight has received a staggeringly high amount of dislike compared to most other reoccurring characters. That much is fact, not opinion. You may disagree with the reasons, but that’s a different discussion. You believing it is simply your prerogative.
Ergo, Starlight being a good character fails the ‘common sense’ territory. Nor have I found any large number of people who thought the Season 6 finale was in any way intelligent.
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I find it funny that so many Starlight fans were baited by this even though the poster admits he was kidding and doesn’t believe it himself. So VERY eager that they don’t even read the description. XD
