asdtroi
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Chrysalis in her first appearance attacked civilians rounded them up and captured them to forcibly take something from them she isn’t just someone who attacks her enemies like the claims she is a legit tyrant.
 
At least she had a reason for it unlike Discord, who just messed with them for fun.
 
Because she is sadistic
 
Like Discord, who expressed joy in tormenting ponies and begged the princesses to turn the defenseless, powerless and cornered trio into stone?
 
Discord is far from perfect but to say he is no better than chrysalis would be ignoring his growth throughout the series
 
And mentioning his growth like this is ignoring the fact that the only reason it happened was because he was released specifically to be granted a second chance and got proper help from Fluttershy, which is far more then what Chrysalis got. Without that, he would still be as evil as he always was and Chrysalis very much could have changed like he did and probably even more had she recieved the same treatment.
 
because he isnt a villain anymore he literally only did what he did because he was misguided and pushing for a good goal with ofc not the best methods.
 
What he did to those three with his manipulations goes far beyond being simply misguided. By that logic I could argue that Canterlot Wedding was simply Chrysalis’s misguided attempt to feed her people.
 
Why is EQ still fine in the last problem with Discord with reality warping powers? If he was such a villain surely he would have taken over by now..Its because he wishes to live in harmony with the ponies.
 
Which again, only happened because he was given that second chance. It still doesn’t change the fact that he nearly caused the end of it after reforming.
 
Chrysalis and her crew only wish to dominate and seize control over them and what did chrysalis say after her 1millionth defeat “u think friendship will stop us, we will always return” because the truth is they always Do.
 
I don’t see this as any worse then when Discord mocked the ponies for trying to reform them. Of course they’ll be hostile when you don’t even try to reform them.
 
So since chrysalis said that she was at fault/ did it completely to herself the same with the rest of the trio they didn’t deny what chrysalis was saying they fully agreed and made clear of that throughout the entire 2 parter.
 
So Chrysalis knew that she was an enemy of the ponies? I don’t see how thats any different then Discord knowing that he was causing chaos and disharmony to them.
 
They surrendered because they were scared of getting the suffering they put out thrown back on them, but if they still had their magic they still would be attacking others to seize control
 
Like how when Discord was released he would have went back to doing what he did a thousend years ago had the elements of harmony weren’t pointed at him?
 
NO this is not headcanon
 
No one ever said that Chrysalis being a villain wasn’t a headcanon, only the notion that she was more irredeemable then Discord ever was, which we have no evidence of as the same attempt wasn’t made with her.
 
So because of chrysalis statement the princesses and discord decided they had enough and did what they felt was a effective way to delivering justice and now Equestria lives in Harmony and peace once again.
 
If that is justice, then Discord should have been put back to stone or never released in the first place, Starlight should have been sent to Tartarus and Tempest should have faced trial for multiple attacked nations.
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@asdtroi  
Chrysalis in her first appearance attacked civilians rounded them up and captured them to forcibly take something from them she isn’t just someone who attacks her enemies like the claims she is a legit tyrant.  
Because she is sadistic and power hungry, Discord is far from perfect but to say he is no better than chrysalis would be ignoring his growth throughout the series and acting as if discord didn’t literally do what he did in s9 to help the leader of his country while crystalis wanted to destroy the leader. If u noticed at the coronation discord is just standing around not harming anyone. Why is that? because he isnt a villain anymore he literally only did what he did because he was misguided and pushing for a good goal with ofc not the best methods.
 
Why is EQ still fine in the last problem with Discord with reality warping powers? If he was such a villain surely he would have taken over by now..Its because he wishes to live in harmony with the ponies. Chrysalis and her crew only wish to dominate and seize control over them and what did chrysalis say after her 1millionth defeat “u think friendship will stop us, we will always return” because the truth is they always Do.
 
So since chrysalis said that she was at fault/ did it completely to herself the same with the rest of the trio they didn’t deny what chrysalis was saying they fully agreed and made clear of that throughout the entire 2 parter.
 
They surrendered because they were scared of getting the suffering they put out thrown back on them, but if they still had their magic they still would be attacking others to seize control NO this is not headcanon this is the truth because this is exactly what they were trying to do but now backing down no longer big and bad without power. So because of chrysalis statement the princesses and discord decided they had enough and did what they felt was a effective way to delivering justice and now Equestria lives in Harmony and peace once again.
asdtroi
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I don’t see how that justifies what Discord did.
 
 
@Background Pony #6AA8  
Pushing anti-Chrysalis agenda doesn’t make what Discord did any less of a horrible thing.
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I’m not trying to deny Chrysalis as a villain. I’m saying that what Discord did makes him no better than her. It puts him back at square one.
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It still wasn’t Discord’s call.
 
Pushing the anti discord agenda doesn’t make her any less of a villain
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It still wasn’t Discord’s call.
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But it doesn’t justify what Discord did to her.
 
It could show she had it coming.
asdtroi
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I never once said that she wasn’t. Only that her initial goal was to feed her subjects, something which I stand by.
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But it doesn’t justify what Discord did to her.
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Thank u for admitting shes at fault im proud of u
asdtroi
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What are you talking about? I never said that it wasn’t Chrysalis’s fault, only that she did have redeeming qualities and needed help.
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@asdtroi  
U know this sounds like victim blaming, its the characters fault for chrysalis choosing to stay on her path of evil towards them
asdtroi
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Because she only saw friendship on as something that corrupted her hive. She said so herself. Had she got actual long-term help like Discord got or didn’t realize what was happening she could very well have changed at that moment. And theres the fact that she did have redeeming moments, few as they may have been.
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There honestly isnt room for sympathy for her until freniemies when she showed 1 or 2 redeeming moments but even then she quickly threw em away
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No one ever said that she isn’t a villain, just that there is room for sympathy for her and that one can argue that she did care for her subjects. The TV Tropes page just assumes that she never did and is pure evil. It was clearily written by a biased individual.
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Yes, and it only tells one argument without addressing the other. It can be freely edited by anyone with clearence no matter their biases and leaves much up to opinion.
 
What one argument is it telling the chrysalis is a villain argument? Her purpose is the story Is to be a truly evil villain
asdtroi
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Yes, and it only tells one argument without addressing the other. It can be freely edited by anyone with clearence no matter their biases and leaves much up to opinion.
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Just because something is in TV tropes doesn’t make it true. The fact of the matter is that she still seemed to care for her subjects in some capacity and she still said what she did. Again, this is no proof that she never cared.
 
U do know TV tropes bases things off of whats being told from the story not wat one wants to be told right. Did u read it?
asdtroi
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@Background Pony #6AA8  
Just because something is in TV tropes doesn’t make it true. The fact of the matter is that she still seemed to care for her subjects in some capacity and she still said what she did. Again, this is no proof that she never cared.
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I can say the same to you.
asdtroi
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@Background Pony #6AA8  
I can say the same to you.
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That still doesn’t contradict her speech. She wanted to feed her people. Enjoying the power that comes with that doesn’t change that fact nor does it prove that she never truly cared about feading her people. The fact of the matter is that she still said it and theres no evidence that she didn’t mean it.
 
I can see u just dont get it
asdtroi
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That still doesn’t contradict her speech. She wanted to feed her people. Enjoying the power that comes with that doesn’t change that fact nor does it prove that she never truly cared about feading her people. The fact of the matter is that she still said it and theres no evidence that she didn’t mean it.
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While she did show enjoyment in potentially taking over Equestria, it was still her primary goal to feed her changelings. If she only wanted power, she would have simply lied to Starlight about changing and at least keep her queen status to later plan her revenge. You have no proof that she didn’t care about them.
 
The goal was to gain power as she said many times, she only said she wanted to feed changelings once. It was made to emphasize she was doing it because she has a lust of power. Crysalis: “Every power ill soon control every stallion there unfold.” Her song isnt about taking care of her hive its about wanting power and control Her doing everything for her hive would make her more interesting but its simply not the case in the legit story
asdtroi
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@Background Pony #6AA8  
While she did show enjoyment in potentially taking over Equestria, it was still her primary goal to feed her changelings. If she only wanted power, she would have simply lied to Starlight about changing and at least keep her queen status to later plan her revenge. You have no proof that she didn’t care about them.